The General Election Thread

[cibaman]

Define "victims"

I'm actually amazed that he thinks 20% are on the left (or even centre)

So am i,i feel in the minority in here being a labour voter

Its very difficult to say either way. Some posters are just much more noisy than others. If you disagree with them its bound to seem as if they are dominating the conversation.

 

[Bluemanc100]

As I always say before the match, the best team wins

I really hope for the best tomorrow based on the SNP vote being divisive....

I pay shit loads of tax as it is and see nothing in return, the last thing I want is "Big Government" (which I learned about from this forum as I knew nothing about the logic of it) with more red tape (literally) and still nothing improving..............

 

[I Hart Man City]

Fuck me it's like the Dzeko thread in here.

Probably more civil though.

 

[BigJoe#1]

So am i,i feel in the minority in here being a labour voter

But at least you're in good company. Tomorrow (or Friday) there will be many sore losers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

You do realise there's a difference between what you think will happen and what you want to happen, don't you?

 

[CityStu]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

You do realise there's a difference between what you think will happen and what you want to happen, don't you?

Yes.... But the incumbents are going to feel the wrath of the nation.

LibDems in Scotland will get hammered and the votes won't switch to Tory. Nobody who "tactically" voted LibDems last time will do so again.

Conservatives in England will fare better but will be lucky, very lucky to retain the numbers, UKIP will take many of the votes but not seats - could let Labour in.

Labour will suffer through the Scots all turning to the SNP but I believe will increase their vote and seat count in England.

Wales will probably return Labour in the majority of seats (as at present), Plaid Cymru will increase from 3 to 4. I think the Tory's will get 2 at best.

Labour will end up with the highest number of seats. All will be revealed in due course.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

You could well be right.

 

[york away to this!]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

You could well be right.

UKIP always upset the poles...

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

Farage hasn't fought a good campaign though. He has come across as a bit of a nutter just trying to shock and be provocative.
His comments about immigrants with HIV came across as callous and claiming the studio audience were all left wing just made him look stupid.
He's got what he wanted with the Referendum on Europe and UKIP are essentially a one issue party. I think the Tories with the Lib Dems and
possibly DUP will just edge it as a coalition. The SNP will be a big vote loser for Labour in England. Miliband personally has actually come across reasonably well.

 

[mcfc1632]

The current system is a joke and gives the SNP a far far greater say in the affairs of the UK than is even remotely fair.

The SNP with 4% of the vote compared with UKIP's 13% will get 46 seats to UKIPs 0

And we laughingly call this democracy.

For the article

<a class="postlink" href="http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-case-for-reforming-our-voting-system-in-three-charts--e1jDbYPFgb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/t ... e1jDbYPFgb</a>

It is called opportunism. I think that it was Blair that saw the chance to rig things in his favour - might bite Labour in the arse?

 

[cibaman]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

If the polls turn out to be wrong its more likely to be because some parties are more successful than others at getting out their vote. And the bigger parties are usually better at that than the smaller ones, especially at general elections rather than by elections.

The Lib Dems were polling at 28 or 29% at this stage before the 2010 election but ended up at 23%. It wasn't a case of their voters switching sides, the new ones they attracted following the debates just didnt bother to vote.

I think, and hope, the same could happen to UKIP tomorrow.

 

[kas_tippler]

Remember when Kinnock whooped the torys arses in 92?
[video]http://youtu.be/7TOgB3Smvro[/video] we're alright!!!!!!

 

[CityStu]

I have a feeling that the outcome is going to be a bit different to what we have been led to believe it will be.

Whilst Labour won't have an outright majority I think they will have the most seats in Parliament and will rue the day they got so involved in the Scottish devolution debate which will cost them dearly in the number of seats they will lose.Had they kept Scotland's seats they would have had an overall majority.

I think the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats are going to be spanked and left feeling very sheepish once the public has had its say.

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

Farage hasn't fought a good campaign though. He has come across as a bit of a nutter just trying to shock and be provocative.
His comments about immigrants with HIV came across as callous and claiming the studio audience were all left wing just made him look stupid.
He's got what he wanted with the Referendum on Europe and UKIP are essentially a one issue party. I think the Tories with the Lib Dems and
possibly DUP will just edge it as a coalition. The SNP will be a big vote loser for Labour in England. Miliband personally has actually come across reasonably well.

His HIV comments came across as callous to those who would never consider voting for him. For those that may have been thinking about it, it was a perfectly valid point about health tourism, even if he could have used a better example.

Claiming the audience was left wing was absolutely correct.

I think Cameron's a bit wooly on the referendum. He's promised one in 2017 but after attempts to negotiate the UK's position in the EU, which Juncker has ruled out until 2019. Plus, it might be a red line for the Libs or DUP in a coalition agreement.

I like some of UKIP's other policies. I think grammar schools (done correctly) are a good idea to improve social mobility, they're the only party willing to commit 2% of the budget to defence and I respect their plans to help veterans. That's without mentioning that that single issue is a big issue for many voters.

I think Miliband came across very well and improved his standing early in the campaign but has really slipped in the past week or so. He got ruined on Question Time and his incredibly vague policies set in stone stunt was ridiculous. Especially when Lucy Powell then claimed that they weren't set in stone at all.

 

[whp.blue]

I think that if the polls are going to be wrong, people will have been a little more shy to admit they are voting right wing. If anyone's going to be causing surprises, it's likely to be UKIP.

You could well be right.

UKIP always upset the poles...

Very good both of you

 

[kaz7]

So am i,i feel in the minority in here being a labour voter

But at least you're in good company. Tomorrow (or Friday) there will be many sore losers.

Haha

I will just get on with it and hope the country has made the right decision

 

[whp.blue]

So am i,i feel in the minority in here being a labour voter

But at least you're in good company. Tomorrow (or Friday) there will be many sore losers.

People can be disappointed if their side loose but it is a democratic process so how can anyone be a sore looser?

 

[kaz7]

After close monitoring of this thread I can report that the ccount is 50% victims, 20% bleeding heart liberals, 10% yoghurt knitters and 20% sensible normal down to earth people. Doesn't bode well for the tomorrow I'm sad to say.

Define "victims"

People who blame everyone else for their problems.

So 50% of posters on here are victims?

Would they be the ones who disagree with your political view by any chance?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Kas_tippler is another one who has made little or no sensible contribution to this thread but has been very intent on being a troll. It hasn't gone unnoticed.

 

[Damocles]

Some interesting reading coming out of the exclusive New Statesmen/BMG Research poll looking at single biggest issue on why to vote for the selected party:

43% of Tory voters are voting Tory by and large based on the economy. Their secondary issue is immigration.

39% of Labour voters are voting Labour by and large based on the lack of NHS funding. Their secondary issue is cost of living.

Lib Dems are generally split between the economy and the NHS, suggesting that these are still the big two issues for the majority of the country but some just don't trust the main two to back their specialist subjects or have ideological opposition to them.

69% of UKIP voters are entirely due to immigration reform. Their secondary concern of cost of living only has 10%.

In leader trust, Cameron is seen as the most trustworthy with Clegg just behind him and Miliband a little way behind him. Farage is dead last behind all parties including Plaid Cymru and the Greens.

Answering the question "Who or what was responsible for the spending cuts made by the coalition since 2010?", 40% of people chose the Labour Government in front of the global financial crisis. Also in the same poll, only 6% of people can identify how many seats the SNP will get with their projected votes (within 5 either way).