The General Election Thread

[RandomJ]

Just my two pennies worth but to all those that look to gain from this result I guess congrats but as for me as someone under 30, stuck in rented housing with out of control rent prices and eye watering house prices, with a job that has had my wages frozen for years and pension slashed and despite the tories "creative" figures there really are not many jobs out there, this is the straw that broke the camels back. I made the decision last year the move abroad and should hopefully all be done by the end of the year and to be honest besides my family I'll only miss going to City games but I point blank refuse to live in a country run by this lot for the next 5 years. For those that are not so lucky to have this option I can only hope that Labour get their act together and actually find a leader who you would want to vote for and they can capitilise when the tories break every promise they made and continue to step on the necks of those less fortunate than them.

 

[Pam]

The only truly successful way to get a full term out of this is to call an election in a couple of years time (if the polls are right). Labour won a small majority in 1964 and went again in 1966, when the polls looked promising. It worked.

Short of this, the best the Tories can hope for is to limp along for a few years before being brought down by the 60 ex-Tories who defect to UKIP the moment the EU Referendum vote is lost.

 

[Bentheblue]

It seems very odd that 1.5million SNP votes gets them 56 seats, whereas 4 million UKIP votes only gets them 1 seat. Scotland does not warrant so many seats it gives them a much bigger voice than they deserve in Westminster.

 

[Pam]

It seems very odd that 1.5million SNP votes gets them 56 seats, whereas 4 million UKIP votes only gets them 1 seat. Scotland does not warrant so many seats it gives them a much bigger voice than they deserve in Westminster.

I wouldn't worry about the SNP. I think Scotland will leave the Union soon enough. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise. The Yes vote will win the next referendum, not least because the Tories ran a campaign that was openly hostile towards the Scottish people.

 

[Damocles]

It seems very odd that 1.5million SNP votes gets them 56 seats, whereas 4 million UKIP votes only gets them 1 seat. Scotland does not warrant so many seats it gives them a much bigger voice than they deserve in Westminster.

I wouldn't worry about the SNP. I think Scotland will leave the Union soon enough. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise.

Based on what?

 

[Ducado]

Morning punters.
First of all congratulations to the Tories. Ruthless winners.
I think Labour got done over twice by the SNP, in Scotland (obviously) and in England where voters didn't want the SNP influencing the government in any way.
I still think Labour should have got at least around 270 seats and it's a desperately disappointing night for them.
Oh well back to supporting the real blues. I just hope they can be as ruthless at winning as the political blues.
PS I won't be taking any further notice of opinion polls in the future.

I warned you.

Delighted you can rest easy for the next 5 years knowing your hard work in your small business will not be undermined by the government.

Good grief, you give sycophancy a bad name

 

[TCIB]

You can't point broken promises finger at the conservatives if you are a labour supporter.

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Long live king Dave.

 

[Pam]

It seems very odd that 1.5million SNP votes gets them 56 seats, whereas 4 million UKIP votes only gets them 1 seat. Scotland does not warrant so many seats it gives them a much bigger voice than they deserve in Westminster.

I wouldn't worry about the SNP. I think Scotland will leave the Union soon enough. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise.

Based on what?

Based on the results of the last referendum and the fact that the English parties have now been wiped out (because of the collapse of the Labour vote in Scotland). The SNP is a nationalist party and they have now wiped the floor with everyone in wholly unprecedented ways. They have 56 seats now (as opposed to the six they had just yesterday). What else could they be asking for with that situation than independence?

 

[urmston]

It's because we have left wing posters but they have decided not to engage any more in the Cellar because of what they see as racist, homophobic, Islamophobic or anti-Semitic, or fascistic views being aired as a norm. The problem here is that despite cries from a small view, we're a very liberal forum on what people can say and you've got to really cross over a line to get any sort of punishment meted out.

I disagree.

I think it's because left-wing people are often quite poor at debate and banter.

They make assertions and if anyone disagrees they quickly move to daft accusations of racism, homophobia etc, and seem genuinely astounded that anyone has dared to disagree with them.

They simply can't cope adequately with dissent, perhaps because they often stick together in social and working environments where political correctness reigns and there is not a diversity of views, so they come to believe that all normal, caring and clever people must necessarily have opinions like their own and those who don't are motivated by greed, malice and other negative traits.

This forum is moderated fairly. I suggest lefties go to the Guardian's Comment is Free section where off-message comments are ruthlessly deleted so that delicate, liberal, progressive sensibilities are not affronted.

 

[Damocles]

Les Leggett lost in his local election standing aswell. Gutted for him, could have had 5 years of hilarity with that.

In my area at least, UKIP seem to be splitting the Tory vote rather than gaining from Labour. Not really the same nationally where they are decimating the Independent votes and taking from Lib Dems or Labour elsewhere.

 

[Don Karleone]

My missus is a full time carer now for my disabled Mum. I wouldn't worry about this type of thing, again the Tories aren't James Bond villains and they tend to focus on the "fringes" of benefits. Actually now that I think of it, my Mum's benefits went UP under the coalition rather than down.

Stop talking sense.

Where were all these comments in the build up is my question, the Tory party were demonised when in reality people with real experience could argue differently........... there was no damage done it turns out but it does make me wonder

Well we were nearly evicted for not paying the bedroom tax,I'd say that did some damage! Our second bedroom is used to store medical equipment and a computer. On the subject of benefit money I'd say ours has gone up slightly,a few quid maybe. Not enough to fund a lavish lifestyle which everybody seems to think most benefit claimants live.

 

[Pam]

It's because we have left wing posters but they have decided not to engage any more in the Cellar because of what they see as racist, homophobic, Islamophobic or anti-Semitic, or fascistic views being aired as a norm. The problem here is that despite cries from a small view, we're a very liberal forum on what people can say and you've got to really cross over a line to get any sort of punishment meted out.

I disagree.

I think it's because left-wing people are often quite poor at debate and banter.

They make assertions and if anyone disagrees they quickly move to daft accusations of racism, homophobia etc, and seem genuinely astounded that anyone has dared to disagree with them.

They simply can't cope adequately with dissent, perhaps because they often stick together in social and working environments where political correctness reigns and there is not a diversity of views, so they come to believe that all normal, caring and clever people must necessarily have opinions like their own and those who don't are motivated by greed, malice and other negative traits.

This forum is moderated fairly. I suggest lefties go to the Guardian's Comment is Free section where off-message comments are ruthlessly deleted so that delicate, liberal, progressive sensibilities are not affronted.

WTF?

 

[Damocles]

It's because we have left wing posters but they have decided not to engage any more in the Cellar because of what they see as racist, homophobic, Islamophobic or anti-Semitic, or fascistic views being aired as a norm. The problem here is that despite cries from a small view, we're a very liberal forum on what people can say and you've got to really cross over a line to get any sort of punishment meted out.

I disagree.

I think it's because left-wing people are often quite poor at debate and banter.

They make assertions and if anyone disagrees they quickly move to daft accusations of racism, homophobia etc, and seem genuinely astounded that anyone has dared to disagree with them.

They simply can't cope adequately with dissent, perhaps because they often stick together in social and working environments where political correctness reigns and there is not a diversity of views, so they come to believe that all normal, caring and clever people must necessarily have opinions like their own and those who don't are motivated by greed, malice and other negative traits.

This forum is moderated fairly. I suggest lefties go to the Guardian's Comment is Free section where off-message comments are ruthlessly deleted so that delicate, liberal, progressive sensibilities are not affronted.

Yes, left wingers are well known for dismissing education and not championing diversity.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I wouldn't worry about the SNP. I think Scotland will leave the Union soon enough. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise.

Based on what?

Based on the results of the last referendum and the fact that the English parties have now been wiped out (because of the collapse of the Labour vote in Scotland). The SNP is a nationalist party and they have now wiped the floor with everyone in wholly unprecedented ways. They have 56 seats now (as opposed to the six they had just yesterday). What else could they be asking for with that situation than independence?

If it happens then that's even worse for labour. Even with the biased boundaries that favour labour, the Tories have won 318 of 532 seats (one still to declare) in England with 40% of the vote.

Decisive to say the least.


The people have spoken - get over it

 

[worsleyweb]

I warned you.

Delighted you can rest easy for the next 5 years knowing your hard work in your small business will not be undermined by the government.

Good grief, you give sycophancy a bad name

Cheers. (not seen my apology yet by the way) The best day since Sergio won the title for us this.

My dad has just said how have I raised two Tories. He was Union leader for the baggage handlers at the airport for twenty years. I tried to explain to him that the need for Unions and militancy are over but it is like talking to the wall.

 

[Pam]

Stop talking sense.

Where were all these comments in the build up is my question, the Tory party were demonised when in reality people with real experience could argue differently........... there was no damage done it turns out but it does make me wonder

Well we were nearly evicted for not paying the bedroom tax,I'd say that did some damage! Our second bedroom is used to store medical equipment and a computer. On the subject of benefit money I'd say ours has gone up slightly,a few quid maybe. Not enough to fund a lavish lifestyle which everybody seems to think most benefit claimants live.

The welfare cuts won't fall where people expect because the conventional unemployment based ones have been cut as much as they can be cut. The turkeys have just voted for Xmas. It's the Child Benefit and Tax Credits of many a Tory voter they will slash away at.

 

[cibaman]

I wouldn't worry about the SNP. I think Scotland will leave the Union soon enough. It is unrealistic to believe otherwise.

Based on what?

Based on the results of the last referendum and the fact that the English parties have now been wiped out (because of the collapse of the Labour vote in Scotland). The SNP is a nationalist party and they have now wiped the floor with everyone in wholly unprecedented ways. They have 56 seats now (as opposed to the six they had just yesterday). What else could they be asking for with that situation than independence?

Of course they will, but probably not immediately. Apparently the polls on independence haven't changed since the referendum. They will not want another referendum until the oil price recovers.

 

[TCIB]

Well Pam tbh you did just say this "Look, it's a 100% total mandate to govern from the insane right. Roll on those by-elections."

Why are they insane ? because they do not agree with you therefor your right and they must be wrong ?

You make barbed shitty comments along with some others and say "WTF" when someone pulls you up about it ?

 

[dickie davies]

Stop talking sense.

Where were all these comments in the build up is my question, the Tory party were demonised when in reality people with real experience could argue differently........... there was no damage done it turns out but it does make me wonder

Well we were nearly evicted for not paying the bedroom tax,I'd say that did some damage! Our second bedroom is used to store medical equipment and a computer. On the subject of benefit money I'd say ours has gone up slightly,a few quid maybe. Not enough to fund a lavish lifestyle which everybody seems to think most benefit claimants live.

Does that mean you can only afford to visit your gite in the Dordogne for only six weeks this summer! ;-)

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Just my two pennies worth but to all those that look to gain from this result I guess congrats but as for me as someone under 30, stuck in rented housing with out of control rent prices and eye watering house prices, with a job that has had my wages frozen for years and pension slashed and despite the tories "creative" figures there really are not many jobs out there, this is the straw that broke the camels back. I made the decision last year the move abroad and should hopefully all be done by the end of the year and to be honest besides my family I'll only miss going to City games but I point blank refuse to live in a country run by this lot for the next 5 years. For those that are not so lucky to have this option I can only hope that Labour get their act together and actually find a leader who you would want to vote for and they can capitilise when the tories break every promise they made and continue to step on the necks of those less fortunate than them.

Fair play but please remember just how green the grass is. I've lived abroad for 7 years and believe me once the honeymoon period is over and reality sets in it's a whole different ball game. I know plenty of people who did it and came back out of pocket and even more who cannot afford to return. Please, do your homework and don't make a rash decision based on some polititian.