The Green Party

[jacko74]

Nope, it's literally the only thing, the rest is the opinions of MPs and useful idiots who vote for them who are shit scared of his growing influence. Why don't you answer what I asked, are The Sun suddenly a font of truth because they agree with you?

'Wealthy champagne marxist' - He's from fucking Salford, he grew up in Salford, not in a posh area of London or leafy part of Essex. - And aside from that, redistribution of wealth isn't marxist anyway, most of his policies are fairly light socialism at that.

Would you fuck, If you gave a fuck about the green causes you'd vote anyone other than the current shower on either side of the house.

You do understand there are some very wealthy and expensive areas of Salford? Dont you?

He's already got a net worth north of half a million, not bad for a ruffian from Salford who's still relatively young and only just gaining a degree of political prominence... just imagine how much wealth he'll accumulate if he continues his political grift, he could even become a millionaire like Corbyn.

Of course redistribution of wealth lies at the heart of his Marxist ideology, it's the very essence of Marxism you utter simpleton.

I'm actually in favour of a redistribution of wealth, if I had my way I'd impose a 90% total wealth tax on every billionaire in the UK... unfortunately the reality of such a move is that the money gained would only cover the costs of a profligate and out of control benefits system and the costs associated with mass immigration in all its various guises for a couple of weeks at best... then what? Who do we squeeze then comrade?

 

[jacko74]

Im not sure how you are coming to that conclusion tbh, helping the establishment? No green credentials at all?

He's in favour of current levels of mass immigration and brands anyone who has concerns over the socio-economic impact of mass immigration as being a "racist"

As I'm sure you understand, we live in a Corporatocracy and the only reason we have mass immigration is because its so profitable for the avaricious and exploitative corporations and the parasitic rentier classes.

Therefore his support of mass immigration demonstrably proves he's just another Useful Idiot of the billionaire establishment.

 

[threespires]

You're just coming at it entirely from entirely the wrong angle, of course corporate greed lies at the heart of the issue, but it's mass immigration that has allowed that corporate greed and obscene wealth accumulation to increase vastly over the course of the last two decades.

Without the huge supply of cheap labour available through mass immigration the historically unprecedented stagnation and suppression of wages we've experienced in the last two decades simply couldn't have occurred, the same applies to the erosion of workers rights and T&C's.

It's really basic and immutable economics of supply and demand in terms of the value of labour, something that has existed since even long before Capitalism.

There's no evidence at all to suggest that removing that cheap labour the corporations will respond by effectively downsizing and reducing their output and the services they provide, that's a complete anathema to the way modern day corporatism operates and would leave them vulnerable to market competition for one thing.

In the face of cutting off their cheap labour supply the corporations could possibly attempt to limit their labour costs and maintain their obscene profit margins by going down the route of technological innovation... but why is that a bad thing?

It's very unlikely technological innovation could entirely counteract the exploitative use of millions of migrant labourers anyway so in some circumstances where technological innovation isn't an option the corporations would simply have no choice but to increase their pay levels.

There are other interlinked aspects to the whole situation of rampant corporatism and cheap labour, chiefly the utter insanity of a situation whereby we're importing millions of unskilled low paid workers whilst at the same time we have millions of working age people all under-employed through choice, CHOOSING to work minimal part time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits even when permanent full-time hours are available to them... again all ultimately for the benefit of the corporations.

Your snake analogy works both ways, the way to deal with the head of that avaricious corporate snake is to remove its body.. in this case the snake's body is represented by the mass immigration that snake is exploiting and benefiting from so much.

In answer to your question I've bolded...because in the absence of strong legislation it enriches a tiny minority at the expense of everyone else?

I've worked within and for numerous large corporations I would suggest improving T&Cs would probably be the strategy of last resort for most of them, after they'd exhausted maybe 4 or 5 other strategies. They've successfully persuaded governments to subsidise their labour costs already so what makes you think they wouldn't continue that strategy because of a change in composition of the origin of the labour base?

I think it would be fair to say your faith in market forces is much greater than mine. I'm trying to think of a significant example where a market correction hasn't ended up significantly favouring capital over labour; there might be some but I'm struggling to think of any off the top of my head. As far as I can tell, improvement of conditions has always been achieved through organisation of labour and regulatory and political means. So I just think your analysis of what will happen in response to such a move is wrong.

Anyway, enjoy the match.

 

[hilts]

He's in favour of current levels of mass immigration and brands anyone who has concerns over the socio-economic impact of mass immigration as being a "racist"

As I'm sure you understand, we live in a Corporatocracy and the only reason we have mass immigration is because its so profitable for the avaricious and exploitative corporations and the parasitic rentier classes.

Therefore his support of mass immigration demonstrably proves he's just another Useful Idiot of the billionaire establishment.

I've already answered this one yo you i think on the previous page.

Im not sure mass migration is the correct term or inflating his views somewhat, anyhow as someone who isn't in favour of immigration its something I disagree with the party on. They have unfortunately fallen for the optics of the situation. They fear the labelling it would cause. You see it on here, you are either in favour of large immigration or are right wing. Its the weakness in people. They have been hoodwinked into taking that simplistic stance, obviously some are just actually simple themselves.

They are still the strongest party by far on the environment and that for me tops everything so they get my vote. The attacks on him are par for the course, every politician gets it, some is valid some is just agenda driven.

 

[jacko74]

I've already answered this one yo you i think on the previous page.

Yes sorry, and I've answered your answer!

 

[BrianW]

The shortage of skilled dentists, surgeons or engineers certainly doesn't require immigration levels at even 10% of what we're currently seeing to fill any vacancies in those sectors.

You're obviously quite comfortable for the UK to appropriate those educated and skilled people from countries much poorer than the UK... poor, developing countries that have paid to educate and train those people and who are in far more need of their skills than we here in the UK are.

That seems to me to be every bit as deplorable and abhorrent as the very worst acts Colonial theft and appropriation seen during the times of Empire, but fair enough if you have no moral and ethical qualms over such behaviour.

The vast majority of immigrants have skills and education levels that fall well below what Dave from the council estate with his one gcse has achieved in his life and those immigrants are doing jobs that Dave is well capable of doing.

Yes I very much do blame the corporate plutocrats for the situation of starvation wages being very heavily subsidised with tax payers money.. but again the overriding reason that enables them to get away with paying starvation wages in the first place is the oversupply of cheap immigrant labour they're able to utilise.

And as to your final point on the obscene cost of accommodation, perhaps that undersupply of housing wouldn't be quite so chronic if we didn't have three quarters of a million people pouring into the country each year all requiring a roof over their head?

I agree we don't need immigration at present levels. But the 90-odd per cent who come here legally, on visas, do so under the magical 'points system' that was introduced after the stupidity of Brexit, and which has greatly increased net immigration. Don't blame me. Don't blame the immigrants. Blame the clowns who proposed Brexit and a points system for immigration.

Now the same clowns want us out of the ECHR, and the nutters are clapping like seals as they think it's another magic solution to bring about Camelot.

And we are still short of dentists, plumbers, brickies, etc., etc.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

What an invaluable contribution to the discussion, your intelligence and powers of debating ability are shining through for all to see.

Please enlighten us as to what is more important than the "single issue" of the huge reduction in standards of living that ordinary people have endured over the last two decades, entirely due to the suppression of wages and the inflation of accommodation costs?

What's the point of engaging with a fucking racist? It's literally all you care about, and that you blame it entirely on immigration shows your own intelligence.

You do understand there are some very wealthy and expensive areas of Salford? Dont you?

He's already got a net worth north of half a million, not bad for a ruffian from Salford who's still relatively young and only just gaining a degree of political prominence... just imagine how much wealth he'll accumulate if he continues his political grift, he could even become a millionaire like Corbyn.

Of course redistribution of wealth lies at the heart of his Marxist ideology, it's the very essence of Marxism you utter simpleton.

I'm actually in favour of a redistribution of wealth, if I had my way I'd impose a 90% total wealth tax on every billionaire in the UK... unfortunately the reality of such a move is that the money gained would only cover the costs of a profligate and out of control benefits system and the costs associated with mass immigration in all its various guises for a couple of weeks at best... then what? Who do we squeeze then comrade?

Yes, I live in one, Mediacity. I'm working class, born in Hope Hospital, earn JUST over the average yearly salary. - Not sure what it has to do with anything mind. Zack's parents are divorced, his dad worked in a DIY shop, his mum was an actress, he got a scholarship to a grammar school (as in he didn't pay for it.) and went to a regular sixth form and went to America to do some acting courses. Not exactly one of the old Etonians, is he?

Yeah, he was magically gifted his net worth out of thin air. Do you say the same shit about James Dyson, the Spoons **** and Charlie Mullins? - Laughable you talk about grifters whilst espousing Faragian bollocks.

No, it's literally not, lmao. The notion of wealth redistribution, as it is normally conceived, is inherently non-marxist. Such a notion assumes the capitalist form of production, but with an equitable distribution of what is produced. It's literally not Marxist, and Marx himself called it vulgar. If anything, it's socialism. Mind who you call a simpleton when you've no idea what you're talking about.

The reality is 90% of immigration is legal as you've been told elsewhere in this thread. So, they get a job and contribute. Asylum seekers are a small percentage of immigration and are not allowed to contribute. This could be solved tomorrow by letting them. Out of control benefits system? So, in favour of kicking down on the poverty stricken, disabled and elderly too?

Not often I see someone so confident of what he says but being so incorrect.

 

[jacko74]

What's the point of engaging with a fucking racist? It's literally all you care about, and that you blame it entirely on immigration shows your own intelligence.



Yes, I live in one, Mediacity. I'm working class, born in Hope Hospital, earn JUST over the average yearly salary. - Not sure what it has to do with anything mind. Zack's parents are divorced, his dad worked in a DIY shop, his mum was an actress, he got a scholarship to a grammar school (as in he didn't pay for it.) and went to a regular sixth form and went to America to do some acting courses. Not exactly one of the old Etonians, is he?

Yeah, he was magically gifted his net worth out of thin air. Do you say the same shit about James Dyson, the Spoons **** and Charlie Mullins? - Laughable you talk about grifters whilst espousing Faragian bollocks.

No, it's literally not, lmao. The notion of wealth redistribution, as it is normally conceived, is inherently non-marxist. Such a notion assumes the capitalist form of production, but with an equitable distribution of what is produced. It's literally not Marxist, and Marx himself called it vulgar. If anything, it's socialism. Mind who you call a simpleton when you've no idea what you're talking about.

The reality is 90% of immigration is legal as you've been told elsewhere in this thread. So, they get a job and contribute. Asylum seekers are a small percentage of immigration and are not allowed to contribute. This could be solved tomorrow by letting them. Out of control benefits system? So, in favour of kicking down on the poverty stricken, disabled and elderly too?

Not often I see someone so confident of what he says but being so incorrect.

Jesus, I had no idea you were so heavily indoctrinated, please accept my apologies.

So 90% of immigrants are net contributors are they? That must explain why One in Six recipients of Universal Credit are
born overseas, at a cost of £10bn just last year.

An equitable distribution of wealth would never really happen under Capitalism, although true free market Capitalism was certainly a lot more egalitarian than the rampant, unbridled Corporatism that we now have and which you're so unequivocally in favour of with your support of mass immigration and your labelling of anyone who has any concerns at all over it as automatically being "fucking racist"

If you think an increase in the benefits bill for just "anxiety and depression" alone increasing 200 fold in just the last 10 years, from £7m to £1.6bn doesn't constitute being out of control and that every single one of those new claimants are all genuinely disabled with severe and debilitating "anxiety and depression" then I don't know how to help you.
If you do believe they're all entirely genuine and deserving claims then you're possibly so mentally defective yourself that perhaps you'd qualify for PIP? Have you considered sticking a claim in?

Meanwhile I know someone who when diagnosed with Stage 3 inflammatory breast cancer was refused PIP, this is what I mean by the benefits system being out of control and not fit for purpose.

You are right, I do care deeply about immigration... I find it heartbreaking that these people are enticed to come to the UK being fed lies and false promises of a "better life" only to find themselves ruthlessly exploited and abused receiving poverty pay in the grey/gig economy and forced to live in squalid overcrowded HMO's.

Just because you obviously personally financially benefit from having an entire underclass of exploited pretty much slave labourers you really shouldn't judge everyone else by your deplorable standards.

And as for those few migrants that are skilled and qualified in perhaps health care or engineering for example... you're entirely comfortable with poor, developing countries who are much more socio-economically worse off than the UK going to the great expense of educating and training these people only for the UK to then effectively steal them.

Personally I find that every bit as sickening and abhorrent as the many acts of colonial theft, pillage and appropriation of valuable assets from poorer countries that took place in the days of the British Empire.. in fact even worse as these "assets" are human beings. Shame on you, your lack of empathy and morals disgust me.

Oh, and I hate to burst your bubble, but the rabbit hutch you live in in media city ain't what I was talking about when I referred to the wealthy parts of Salford.

 

[.db.]

Lmao, single issue voter again. Go paint a fucking roundabout.

He’s right about mass immigration being antithesis to a green outlook.

More people = more electricity demand, more water demand, more housing demand, more refuse and waste, more demand on landfill, more recycling demand, more imports, more traffic, more demand on public transport, more pollution, more demand on our greenfield, more demand on our farmland…

 

[hilts]

He’s right about mass immigration being antithesis to a green outlook.

More people = more electricity demand, more water demand, more housing demand, more refuse and waste, more demand on landfill, more recycling demand, more imports, more traffic, more demand on public transport, more pollution, more demand on our greenfield, more demand on our farmland…

Even a 4 Yr old would get it, Johnny you have a group of 5 kids and a group of 10 kids who uses the most crayons?

Errr is it the 10 kids miss?

No you racist little **** crayons create jobs that keep you in spaghetti hoops. So I will ask you again what is the answer?

A thousand kids and fuck loads of crayons miss.

Too fucking right.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Like I said when I call a racist what they are, act up all you like, be glib, mock, I really couldn't give a fuck.

Single issue voters belong in the Reform and Tory threads, or one of the multiple complaining about immigration. To come into this thread and pretend you give a fuck about the environment is comical.

hilts might be the exception, he does like to remind everyone he votes Green, after all.

 

[hilts]

Like I said when I call a racist what they are, act up all you like, be glib, mock, I really couldn't give a fuck.

Single issue voters belong in the Reform and Tory threads, or one of the multiple complaining about immigration. To come into this thread and pretend you give a fuck about the environment is comical.

hilts might be the exception, he does like to remind everyone he votes Green, after all.

Its usually mentioned because there are plenty of bell ends who believe(or pretend to) that anti immigration always means racist.

Anyhow its hard to take seriously someone who can't use the reply button or tag with @

I like single issue voters examples include

Yeah but tories
err adults in charge
Brexit brexit brexit brexit
More people means more growth

you know those kind of deep thinking chaps

viva la revolution


Ttfn.

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Anyone seen the clips doing the rounds of the Council meeting in Bristol with Green Councillors holding up banners and placards and walking out whilst members of the public ask legitimate questions on women's safety/single sex spaces.

Disgraceful behaviour.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Anyone seen the clips doing the rounds of the Council meeting in Bristol with Green Councillors holding up banners and placards and walking out whilst members of the public ask legitimate questions on women's safety/single sex spaces.

Disgraceful behaviour.

GB News story to shit stir.

Only seems to be right wing "news" agencies reporting it.

I think I'd walk out of a meeting if someone was allowed to speak using derogatory and degrading language about my way of life.

But that's not reported by organisations with an agenda against said groups.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

You do understand there are some very wealthy and expensive areas of Salford? Dont you?

He's already got a net worth north of half a million, not bad for a ruffian from Salford who's still relatively young and only just gaining a degree of political prominence... just imagine how much wealth he'll accumulate if he continues his political grift, he could even become a millionaire like Corbyn.

Of course redistribution of wealth lies at the heart of his Marxist ideology, it's the very essence of Marxism you utter simpleton.

I'm actually in favour of a redistribution of wealth, if I had my way I'd impose a 90% total wealth tax on every billionaire in the UK... unfortunately the reality of such a move is that the money gained would only cover the costs of a profligate and out of control benefits system and the costs associated with mass immigration in all its various guises for a couple of weeks at best... then what? Who do we squeeze then comrade?

This misunderstands what wealth is and isn't. The value of something is not the same as cash in the bank. For most billionaires there is nothing to tax because their wealth is tied to assets and especially the value of companies. We don't have asset taxes, we only have taxes on gains on those assets.

For example if somebody owns a company worth £1bn then how would you tax that ownership? As it stands we can only tax for example when shares in companies are sold and we only tax the gain on those shares.

Elon Musk is only worth the amount that he is because Tesla is valued so highly. If Tesla wasn't valued that highly then he wouldn't be worth anywhere near that. He is supposedly worth £500bn, that doesn't mean that his bank account says that he has £500bn. He would only have £500bn in cash if he sold every single one of his Tesla shares at market value.

£1bn net worth does not equate to £1bn cash in the bank that you can just tax at 90%. If you somehow did impose such a tax then the value of that thing is instantly 90% less because tax does not improve the value of something. If I run a pub and I'm taxed 10% more then my pub isn't worth 10% more, it's worth 10% less.

 

[Blackley_Blue]

GB News story to shit stir.

Only seems to be right wing "news" agencies reporting it.

I think I'd walk out of a meeting if someone was allowed to speak using derogatory and degrading language about my way of life.

But that's not reported by organisations with an agenda against said groups.

I didn't see it on GB News, I've never watched it and have only seen the clips online which certainly weren't derogatory and degrading?

They are elected councillors, not children. They shouldn't be walking out of a council meeting because they don't like what they hear!

 

[Craig]

This misunderstands what wealth is and isn't. The value of something is not the same as cash in the bank. For most billionaires there is nothing to tax because their wealth is tied to assets and especially the value of companies. We don't have asset taxes, we only have taxes on gains on those assets.

For example if somebody owns a company worth £1bn then how would you tax that ownership? As it stands we can only tax for example when shares in companies are sold and we only tax the gain on those shares.

Elon Musk is only worth the amount that he is because Tesla is valued so highly. If Tesla wasn't valued that highly then he wouldn't be worth anywhere near that. He is supposedly worth £500bn, that doesn't mean that his bank account says that he has £500bn. He would only have £500bn in cash if he sold every single one of his Tesla shares at market value.

£1bn net worth does not equate to £1bn cash in the bank that you can just tax at 90%. If you somehow did impose such a tax then the value of that thing is instantly 90% less because tax does not improve the value of something. If I run a pub and I'm taxed 10% more then my pub isn't worth 10% more, it's worth 10% less.

I think their main play on it is to tax assets. How you’d ever manage to do it is the big problem. What indisputable is something needs to be done to slow down the rapid growth of inequality or this country really will be fucked in 10/20 years.

 

[.db.]

Like I said when I call a racist what they are, act up all you like, be glib, mock, I really couldn't give a fuck.

Single issue voters belong in the Reform and Tory threads, or one of the multiple complaining about immigration. To come into this thread and pretend you give a fuck about the environment is comical.

hilts might be the exception, he does like to remind everyone he votes Green, after all.

No pretence here. Of the more left wing views I hold, the environment, climate and other Green issues, are some I think are the most important issues facing this country and the world.
I’ve voted four times ever: two GEs, one local election and the EU Ref. One of those votes went to the Green Party candidate who ran in the local election (and he got in).

Population increases are not positive for green issues at all. Immigration is the driver for our population increase surging and, mainly for green reasons, I simply don’t want it.

Just with water alone, we can’t keep up with population increases demand of water use.

A summary of England’s revised draft regional and water resources management plans

www.gov.uk

This is just water. I listed numerous other environmental issues that arise with an increasing population. Never mind all the other issues away from green issues that arise with an increasing population.

Casting people off, who view immigration negatively, as racist, is too simplistic, lazy and negative to discussion. To tell people they should be saying it in Tory/Reform or other threads that are about immigration, strikes as you not wanting to allow the discussion of an increasing population and immigration being a green issue.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

No pretence here. Of the more left wing views I hold, the environment, climate and other Green issues, are some I think are the most important issues facing this country and the world.
I’ve voted four times ever: two GEs, one local election and the EU Ref. One of those votes went to the Green Party candidate who ran in the local election (and he got in).

Population increases are not positive for green issues at all. Immigration is the driver for our population increase surging and, mainly for green reasons, I simply don’t want it.

Just with water alone, we can’t keep up with population increases demand of water use.

A summary of England’s revised draft regional and water resources management plans

www.gov.uk

This is just water. I listed numerous other environmental issues that arise with an increasing population. Never mind all the other issues away from green issues that arise with an increasing population.

Casting people off, who view immigration negatively, as racist, is too simplistic, lazy and negative to discussion. To tell people they should be saying it in Tory/Reform or other threads that are about immigration, strikes as you not wanting to allow the discussion of an increasing population and immigration being a green issue.

Because there are much more pressing issues where regards immigration, the burning of fossil fuels, the lack of uptake in green energy to protect empty fields with nothing in them, not even livestock, there is 6% of land that is built on in this country, if it was being built on for veterans/homeless/white people, I assume some of these right wing 'green' concerned would be rather less.

Yeah, and why is there less water? I mean, blaming asylum seekers (that's what they are, fuck off with your illegal shite before anyone even starts) for the planet being warmer is a joke. We've not built a resovoir since 1992, but greenbelt nimbys wouldn't like that.

The people I cast off are not anti-immigration. They want asylum seekers to not have human rights. They want to deport the 90% of those who's asylum claims are accepted, to an unsafe shithole like Rwanda or back to their country of origin where they might be killed. They want net zero immigration, not envinronment. So do not come to me and say that it's just 'valid concern' when the ones peddling anti-immigration are the ones who seek to stamp all over green issues. - There must be safer routes to the UK, processing centres abroad, not reneging on the refugee conventions. More people is a green issue, sure it is, but I think Polanski and those who are paying attention to his message understand that human lives are a somewhat more pressing matter, especially when the green issues of the day are more around burning of fossil fuels, slow uptake on green energy, joe public taking the car round the corner to the shop for a bottle of milk, hell, even the hundreds upon hundreds of planes taking off for holibobs a year. - To boil it down to IMMIGRUNTZ is, I'm afraid at worst racist and at best ignorance.

Its usually mentioned because there are plenty of bell ends who believe(or pretend to) that anti immigration always means racist.

Anyhow its hard to take seriously someone who can't use the reply button or tag with @

I like single issue voters examples include

Yeah but tories
err adults in charge
Brexit brexit brexit brexit
More people means more growth

you know those kind of deep thinking chaps

viva la revolution


Ttfn.

I'll tag you this time, though you're as inevitable as death, I don't see the need to tag someone who's bound to appear and say something typically dismissive.

Anti-Immigration doesn't always mean racist but using it as an excuse for it being about green issues is just dishonest, but I mean that's you all over, taking the piss out of people concerned for their fellow man, so you can play court jester to the right wing nutters in the political forum, almost like you care more about getting likes from them and covering your anti-immigration bullshit in glib remarks and sarky replies. And you say you can't take me seriously?

But I see you, and you probs don't like it. Just like a bunch of the forum don't like it. Tough shit. If the boot fits.

 

[hilts]

Because there are much more pressing issues where regards immigration, the burning of fossil fuels, the lack of uptake in green energy to protect empty fields with nothing in them, not even livestock, there is 6% of land that is built on in this country, if it was being built on for veterans/homeless/white people, I assume some of these right wing 'green' concerned would be rather less.

Yeah, and why is there less water? I mean, blaming asylum seekers (that's what they are, fuck off with your illegal shite before anyone even starts) for the planet being warmer is a joke. We've not built a resovoir since 1992, but greenbelt nimbys wouldn't like that.

The people I cast off are not anti-immigration. They want asylum seekers to not have human rights. They want to deport the 90% of those who's asylum claims are accepted, to an unsafe shithole like Rwanda or back to their country of origin where they might be killed. They want net zero immigration, not envinronment. So do not come to me and say that it's just 'valid concern' when the ones peddling anti-immigration are the ones who seek to stamp all over green issues. - There must be safer routes to the UK, processing centres abroad, not reneging on the refugee conventions. More people is a green issue, sure it is, but I think Polanski and those who are paying attention to his message understand that human lives are a somewhat more pressing matter, especially when the green issues of the day are more around burning of fossil fuels, slow uptake on green energy, joe public taking the car round the corner to the shop for a bottle of milk, hell, even the hundreds upon hundreds of planes taking off for holibobs a year. - To boil it down to IMMIGRUNTZ is, I'm afraid at worst racist and at best ignorance.



I'll tag you this time, though you're as inevitable as death, I don't see the need to tag someone who's bound to appear and say something typically dismissive.

Anti-Immigration doesn't always mean racist but using it as an excuse for it being about green issues is just dishonest, but I mean that's you all over, taking the piss out of people concerned for their fellow man, so you can play court jester to the right wing nutters in the political forum, almost like you care more about getting likes from them and covering your anti-immigration bullshit in glib remarks and sarky replies. And you say you can't take me seriously?

But I see you, and you probs don't like it. Just like a bunch of the forum don't like it. Tough shit. If the boot fits.

Err more people means more consumption so being anti immigration on green issues is a completely valid viewpoint Einstein.

Seriously how fucking stupid does one have to be to not recognise that absolute basic fact.

Cast off? Pmsl. Fucking hell yeah people are scared of being cast of by you. Whoever the fuck you are.

I like the 6% bit , its akin to the look down there from an airplane numpties.There are green fields everywhere, thats how thick you are.

Stop chewing the crayons and chill out. Stupidity doesn't mean you have to be this angry :-)