The Green Party

Tiattos_Waterbottle said:
I'm voting Greens, Zack Polanski is impressive, and he's also a Salford lad like myself.

(Fuck off there's loads of City in Salford, don't conflate us with the fucking rags.)
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Yes he's very impressive hopefully he'll put breast enlarging hypnotherapy on the NHS.
 
Semper aggressus said:
That sounds about right tbh, have to say for a long time I didn’t hold much interest in politics either. As things have got worse I’ve started taking more interest, mostly because the socialists we have in now are personally very bad for me.

Generally though it’s like after City lose, the post match thread is full. If people are satisfied they usually say less. Politics seems similar, with both far left and far right making the most noise about stuff. Empty vessels make the most sound, perhaps.
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‘Socialist’? Tell me you know fuck all about politics without actually saying it.
 
Main Stand Hotdog said:
The current Labour government? You believe they're Socialist?
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That's the trouble these days, everything is so mixed up.

Take for instance the profligate benefits system, a lot of people will actually blame that on an excess of socialism in the system but its actually due to Corporatism... the billionaires have realised they can funnel public money to themselves by extracting it from the productive and the prudent and handing it over to the feckless and the irresponsible who will than spaff it away on shite in the consumer/service economy.

Classic trickle up economics.
 
Semper aggressus said:
Ok, so to me they’re socialists because they’re striving towards more social equality. They increase minimum wage while imposing higher and higher taxes on savers, businesses and those of us fortunate enough to own properties and investments. All the time they refuse to be stricter on welfare, so we end up with too few people working and contributing to society, so taxes go up for the rest.

Whilst many people may welcome this, personally I do not, hence to me labour are socialists. Greens are even worse.

I’m not expecting any sympathy or many people to agree, because most people hate the wealthy and think we should subsidise the rest of society. Obviously I vehemently disagree.
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To me they appear to be the only party recognising and attempting to tackle the huge disparity in the economy.

Getting to a point where 4 or 5 companies are going to run the world. AWS went down 2 weeks ago and fucked up a huge chunk of businesses worldwide. I dont see a healthy society when 4 or 5 people could essentially shut the economy down.

The wealth disparity between the top billionaires and the rest is growing astronomically, since the 90's to now it is genuinely ridiculous.

It's not even necessarily about the millionaires, it's definitely not about the self employed people doing well, not even about the cfo's and ceo's who have worked their way to the top of a big company. We're talking the top 1%, maybe even the top 0.1%, most of which is earned through inheritance, or nefarious methods of exploiting labour or exploiting tax.

That's why I think the greens are spot on with their economic message.
 
MCFC1993 said:
To me they appear to be the only party recognising and attempting to tackle the huge disparity in the economy.

Getting to a point where 4 or 5 companies are going to own the world. AWS went down 2 weeks ago and fucked up a huge chunk of businesses worldwide. I dont see a healthy society when 4 or 5 people could essentially shut the economy down.

The wealth disparity between the top billionaires and the rest is growing astronomically, since the 90's to now it is genuinely ridiculous.

It's not even necessarily about the millionaires, it's definitely not about the self employed people doing well, not even about the cfo's and ceo's who have worked their way to the top of a big company. We're talking the top 1%, maybe even the top 0.1%, most of which is earned through inheritance, or nefarious methods of exploiting labour or exploiting tax.

That's why I think the greens are spot on with their economic message.
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Most of this I agree with.

But labour does seem to have a problem with more than the billionaires. The tax on non-doms is killing me, then there’s increased council tax, tax on second homes, tax on interest income, tax on private schools, it never bloody ends.

And what do we have to show for it? Still a £20bn deficit, shite infrastructure, stressed out and inefficient NHS, white elephants like HS2, rampant crimes in towns and cities and far too many people on benefits that are just taking the piss.
 
Imagine Labour/conservatives/reform had announced a leader who had:


- From a wealthy family
-Private Education (and kicked out for bad behaviour)
-Name change
-Actor
-Numerous run-ins with the law
-Worked for a private health clinic offering very questionable and creepy hypnotherapy
-Got the huff with a previous party cos he didn't get enough votes in a by-election so jumped to a new one.


Those who'll vote for Polanski would be spewing, but they'll vote for him!


Nothing but a Snake oil salesman.
 
Blackley_Blue said:
Imagine Labour/conservatives/reform had announced a leader who had:


- From a wealthy family
-Private Education (and kicked out for bad behaviour)
-Name change
-Actor
-Numerous run-ins with the law
-Worked for a private health clinic offering very questionable and creepy hypnotherapy
-Got the huff with a previous party cos he didn't get enough votes in a by-election so jumped to a new one.


Those who'll vote for Polanski would be spewing, but they'll vote for him!


Nothing but a Snake oil salesman.
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Whilst you can obviously disagree with his politics. I don't see anything regarding his wealthy background and he earned a scholarship to go to grammar school.

Importantly I really don't think you should be criticising a Jewish person for going back to their traditional family name, given they previously changed it due to worries about antisemitism.
 
Semper aggressus said:
Most of this I agree with.

But labour does seem to have a problem with more than the billionaires. The tax on non-doms is killing me, then there’s increased council tax, tax on second homes, tax on interest income, tax on private schools, it never bloody ends.

And what do we have to show for it? Still a £20bn deficit, shite infrastructure, stressed out and inefficient NHS, white elephants like HS2, rampant crimes in towns and cities and far too many people on benefits that are just taking the piss.
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Labour's main issue on the economy is that they're scared of doing what needs to be done to the billionaires and extremely wealthy individuals, so end up half arsing it and taking it out on the middle class. That's why the squeeze is being felt.

Tories and Reform will be no better either, they just take it out on the working class and lower middle class. There's only so far they can go with that though before they have to climb the classes or bring in another way of exploiting people.

As for the latter point, that's just chronic underfunding, we'll lose more money through tax avoidance and evasion and poorly set up tax systems than we do through benefit cheats.
 
yerwot? said:
nutshell, be years before the student rip-off is forgotten as well
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Fella seems to have re-emerged. Qualifying the fact he is a **** and has zero self awareness. Davey seems sound but the pranks and jests didn’t really hit the note. He comes across as a self made carpet factory owner who wants to buy a table tennis table for the youth club.
 
MCFC1993 said:
To me they appear to be the only party recognising and attempting to tackle the huge disparity in the economy.

Getting to a point where 4 or 5 companies are going to run the world. AWS went down 2 weeks ago and fucked up a huge chunk of businesses worldwide. I dont see a healthy society when 4 or 5 people could essentially shut the economy down.

The wealth disparity between the top billionaires and the rest is growing astronomically, since the 90's to now it is genuinely ridiculous.

It's not even necessarily about the millionaires, it's definitely not about the self employed people doing well, not even about the cfo's and ceo's who have worked their way to the top of a big company. We're talking the top 1%, maybe even the top 0.1%, most of which is earned through inheritance, or nefarious methods of exploiting labour or exploiting tax.

That's why I think the greens are spot on with their economic message.
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How does being in favour of mass immigration (which the "Greens" are) tackle the disparity in the economy?

The only reason we've got mass immigration is because its so hugely profitable for the exploitative corporations and parasitic rentier class establishment.

Without mass immigration these billionaire entities wouldn't have been able to suppress wages, erode workers rights and inflate the cost of accommodation... massively enriching themselves in the process.
 
jacko74 said:
How does being in favour of mass immigration (which the "Greens" are) tackle the disparity in the economy?

The only reason we've got mass immigration is because its so hugely profitable for the exploitative corporations and parasitic rentier class establishment.

Without mass immigration these billionaire entities wouldn't have been able to suppress wages, erode workers rights and inflate the cost of accommodation... massively enriching themselves in the process.
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They never said they're in favour of mass immigration though, they're just pro-immigration.

They're actually in favour of being a part of the EU again which meant lower immigration and generally immigration of higher skilled workers from the EU to the UK.

In general though the country needs migration to make up for labour shortages in certain sectors.
 
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