The Green Party

threespires said:
Yes, I've had one eye on this as it unfolds. From the bits I've seen I'm not convinced Polanski is the person to make the breakthrough but I think his take and challenge is important and timely.

Sort of related, one of the things that strikes me about the Green Party is they have few natural allies within the either old or new media spaces. I know Gary Stevenson has to some degree dismissed the Greens despite actually voting for them as he seems to be looking to make his inequality arguments sufficiently loud and mainstream that he can influence one of the two main parties. Given our FPTP system this is understandable but I do wonder if the Greens could do anything to change his perspective on this given he dwarfs the Greens in terms of online presence?
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I suppose it’s possible that a stronger online presence could work in their favour. As for Gary Stevenson I don’t really know what makes him tick
 
roypaulknewmyfather said:
I suppose it’s possible that a stronger online presence could work in their favour. As for Gary Stevenson I don’t really know what makes him tick
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Sometimes I wonder if he's just a content creator turning a buck but I don't think that's the case. He's clearly lost all faith in the main parties and is looking to build a popular movement online (his view being that politics has moved away from its traditional spaces) but what is unclear to me is how this subsequently manifests itself in parliamentary form.
 
threespires said:
The Greens will never have the advantage of built-in access like Reform have with a variety of right-leaning outlets but should they take a leaf out of the populists books and try some simplicity, drama and conflict to gain more visibility in the media? In many ways its probably anathema to them and as a 'fringe' party they understandably want to project being grown up and restrained and you can understand that given the predispositions of most of our media.

However, unless and until we introduce PR it feels like that leaves them being patted on the head and pushed to the sidelines, might be the only way to cut through is to fight fire with fire albeit they'll have to be very clever to dodge the incoming. Don't know much about their leadership or people bubbling under, are there any possible candidates out there?
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Unfortunately when things like public services are struggling and money in general.is tight green issues move down the pecking order, there is no more important thing than the planet we live on but those in power and tbh the public are much more concerned about their materialistic lifestyles, they ain't gonna get the brunt of it.
It makes complete sense in a way until you realise most have or will have kids and grandkids.
Not sure there is anything quite so depressing as that type of attitude. That's humans for you I guess.
 
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hilts said:
Unfortunately when things like public services are struggling and money in general.is tight green issues move down the pecking order, there is no more important thing than the planet we live on but those in power and tbh the public are much more concerned about their materialistic lifestyles, they ain't gonna get the brunt it.
It makes complete sense in a way until you realise most have or will have kids and grandkids.
Not sure there is anything quite so depressing as that type of attitude. That's humans for you I guess.
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I think the behavioural.economists call it temporal discounting and it's one of those cognitive biases most of us have. I think the only way to counter it is to talk about the things that are going tits up in the here and now and try to appeal to immediate self-interest in areas like kids respiratory illnesses, lowering energy bills through more efficient homes etc. You're not wrong though, it is a hard sell.
 
threespires said:
I think the behavioural.economists call it temporal discounting and it's one of those cognitive biases most of us have. I think the only way to counter it is to talk about the things that are going tits up in the here and now and try to appeal to immediate self-interest in areas like kids respiratory illnesses, lowering energy bills through more efficient homes etc. You're not wrong though, it is a hard sell.
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Bang on fella
 
Why is our political discourse being dragged into what Israel is doing?

Where is the leader that's standing up and saying we shouldn't be killing anyone?

My mistrust for media now gives into anger for whatever narrative they are pushing out.

Homer Simpson said - you don't win friends with salad. You don't make money from peace.
 
threespires said:
The Greens will never have the advantage of built-in access like Reform have with a variety of right-leaning outlets but should they take a leaf out of the populists books and try some simplicity, drama and conflict to gain more visibility in the media? In many ways its probably anathema to them and as a 'fringe' party they understandably want to project being grown up and restrained and you can understand that given the predispositions of most of our media.

However, unless and until we introduce PR it feels like that leaves them being patted on the head and pushed to the sidelines, might be the only way to cut through is to fight fire with fire albeit they'll have to be very clever to dodge the incoming. Don't know much about their leadership or people bubbling under, are there any possible candidates out there?
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I think populism would be as far removed from their MO as you can get so that’s never happening but I totally agree with you that the amount of airtime Reform are getting is off the scale compared to the likes of the Greens and the Lib Dems. Especially when you consider that the Greens only have 1 less MP than Reform and the Lib Dems have 67 more.
 
mind your car Mr? said:
One year, 3 pages, at least you tried
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Meanwhile the Reform thread has jumped 180 pages ... sometimes less is more.
hilts said:
It's a lost cause really I made my peace with it, I feel sorry for the ones who still have the fight in them. You can't defeat cuntish attitudes.
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Might be a lost cause either way but if Polanski wins the leadership election there is at least a chance he might ruffle some feathers.

Might be 9 pages this time next year :-)
 
Postman Pep said:
Meanwhile the Reform thread has jumped 180 pages ... sometimes less is more.

Might be a lost cause either way but if Polanski wins the leadership election there is at least a chance he might ruffle some feathers.

Might be 9 pages this time next year :-)
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At least it's not 3 parts personal abuse to 1 part content on this thread. So far!

Polanski's been pretty clear he will try a different approach. He hasn't got client media platforms to support him but as you say he'll try and ruffle some feathers if he gets the chance. A objective analysis of how the media treats him in comparison to Farage will be informative.
 
Postman Pep said:
Meanwhile the Reform thread has jumped 180 pages ... sometimes less is more.

Might be a lost cause either way but if Polanski wins the leadership election there is at least a chance he might ruffle some feathers.

Might be 9 pages this time next year :-)
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Fingers crossed mate
 
Rumours that Polanski is ahead in the leadership race amidst an increase in left leaning members joining/becoming active along with accusations from his opponents that it's all feeling like a "hostile takeover" by jcl lefties.

Hard to see how they become a significant player without PR but if Chowns and Ramsey manage to repel Polanski than I think it's fair to say any small chance becomes negligible.
 
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