This is the question that none of the leavers ever answer. Have asked it numerous times.
My advice Don't hold your breath.
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My advice Don't hold your breath.
Didsbury Dave
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Haha. The other one is “tell us how your life will improve out of the EU”.This is the question that none of the leavers ever answer. Have asked it numerous times.
My advice Don't hold your breath.
goalmole
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Wouldn't work. There'd be backhanders and horse trading galore as the independent MP's were bribed to back one grouping or the other. At least in the present system the political parties do enforce a modicum of standards and discipline.All MPs should be independent.
goalmole
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Well, we wouldn't have had to let in all those Poles when we had a shortage of plumbers, and dentists when people were queing round the block to register because we didn't have enough of our own.This is the question that none of the leavers ever answer. Have asked it numerous times.
My advice Don't hold your breath.
I feel quite nostalgic about those good old days. Luckily they're likely to make a comeback after we Brexit.
Can't wait.
west didsblue
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In what way has the UK lost its sovereignty since joining the European Communites in 1973?
The answer to both questions is Brexit means Brexit and Leave won.Haha. The other one is “tell us how your life will improve out of the EU”.
Labour was nowhere near winning in '92. The Conservatives in 1992 received the most total votes ever for any political party in any UK general election. There was something like a 2% swing to Labour but most of that was at the expense of the Lib-Dems.
You're right. But it isn't how it felt at the time.
I don’t understand why the independent group are saying they would back May in a vote of no confidence? A number of them have directly split from her leadership. They have left their respective parties to be part of a new political group.
If the aim isn’t to form a new party and oust the current PM then what is their goal? It’s very confusing.
If the aim isn’t to form a new party and oust the current PM then what is their goal? It’s very confusing.
Chris in London
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This is the question that none of the leavers ever answer. Have asked it numerous times.
My advice Don't hold your breath.
Ironic that they can’t answer a question that you wouldn’t have asked if you didn’t know the answer already
Armchair Supporter
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This is the question that none of the leavers ever answer. Have asked it numerous times.
My advice Don't hold your breath.
Well, for me, it is the steady encroachment on Sovereignty ( really, that is a soundbite word used to play to the galleries on either side of its use) that staying in the EU will force upon the UK. FOM can be held as an example of the EU restricting the UK, but the argument there is that's our own doing and the empire coming back to bite us in the arse. Not that untrue tbh.
I don't think the UK or any EU member can resist being dragged deeper and deeper into the EU. The € i would argue is unavoidable, as is fiscal and political union. The € certainly is a restriction on the sovereign rights of a country. Ireland burned a whole heap of its sovereignty on the Debt/€ crisis when the troika came in (back in 2008?)
Do we lose sovereignty being in the EU? Of course we do, whenever the UK make rules and regulations we must abide to, but that loss is voluntary and can be revoked at any time. However, the deeper we go into Europe, the less voluntary it becomes.
We already know and agree with this. I would argue a very large majority of the UK does not want the €.
Thank fuck for that.
Armchair Supporter
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I don’t understand why the independent group are saying they would back May in a vote of no confidence? A number of them have directly split from her leadership. They have left their respective parties to be part of a new political group.
If the aim isn’t to form a new party and oust the current PM then what is their goal? It’s very confusing.
Whats the alternative to May?
Gove? (!)
Corbin? (!)
Better the devil you know.