The Independent Group

well Mayday says its over - Eeyore has further cuts written in to this years spending - not like politicians to lie is it?

May has said just about one thing i agree with: that another referendum would cripple Britain’s “social cohesion” - whatever is actually left of it.

Democracy means nothing if they hold a second referendum - and one certainly has to ask what value is an mp who doesn't value democracy?

That being said, remain or leave, we are going to get fucked over by Parliament, same as always.

i said in the other (Brexit) thread, the main issues that people voted leave were loss of sovereignty - or the right for a country to be self determining / make it's own laws and immigration. Seeing as how May has folded all the laws passed to us from the EU into UK statute, and that there is no solid definitive answer to migration being put forward, and thirdly the 'cost' of being in the EU where voters wanted British taxation to pay for a better and sustainable British infrastructure - what May has done since the referendum is stab the British voters in the back.

"Brexit means Brexit" - it seems more like a threat now than the promise it was delivered as.

The 'new indipendance' party promising hardship and ignoring democratic values, its just more ignoring of what the people actually want as far as i can see.

And i'd still like to know who is financing this division and who is paying the wages of these MP's who have jumped ship.

As for the antisemitism inherent within the labor party... Isn't it about time that Parliament actually addressed what has been said or done and why it is deemed as antisemitic? And from that, if it is found that antisemitism (ie hatred of Jews) does exist in any party, and is as bad as everyone has made it out to be, then those who have seeded hate, those who propagate hate against anyone - either Jews or Muslims or anyone else, should be kicked squarely out of Parliament?

Is questioning a State such as Israel's ideology anti-anything? Questioning the validity on how a state conducts itself seems to be at the core of this split, or at least part of it's inception - shouldn't the House be concerned about that - as an opener toward finding a solution rather than MP's throwing their toys out of the party pram and causing more divisive attitudes at a time when all parties should be pulling together to find a workable way out of the clusterfuck that they have created?

Maybe it is time that parliament changed, because it doesn't look like it's doing a particularly good job. Maybe rather than booing / cheering and throwing bits of paper at each other they should all sit down and get on with the job in hand.

If a board of directors were f****** a company up as much as these clowns are f****** this country up, then surely the company would be looking for better directors :)

i really don't think that a bunch of MP's deserting their parties, abandoning the democratic will of the country and threatening austerity is going to solve anything, moreover it is just adding to the maelstrom of chaos.
 
A serious question amid strong rumours Ivan Lewis is talking about joining with them, and Woodcock has shown am interest.

Both left lavour as tgey were going to be kicked out as one was being investigared for sexial harrasment for a second time and the other one was a sex pest alledgedly.

So if they allowed these 2 in would it affect your opinion of them?
 
Nothing stopping them keeping key policies from it, also there's nothing binding any Labour MP to that manifesto as it was rejected by the electorate. It's a weak argument.

My thoughd really are whenever things like this happen, or we get a prime minister resigning, there should be an election/by-election
 

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