Yes.
Right now the Tories in the shires are conspiring to get rid of May, they want Johnson. Simultaneously the Cameron/Blairite Tory MPs are conspiring to ensure that Johnson doesn't make one of the two slots on the leadership ballot, so the shires won't get the chance to vote for him.
If Johnson makes the ballot he'll win, because shire Tories like their politics red in tooth and claw and covered in a thick dollop of right wing fantasy.
If Johnson does become PM, the Cameron/Blairite Tory MPs will be doomed, probably suffer de-selection, but dead in the water either way, so they'll jump ship to the Chukka "Call me Dave", Third Way, Toothy Grin Party, but it'll be a brief respite, as they'll get annihilated at the next election.
If Labour comes out for a second EU referendum after the local elections, then the ChangeMyArse party won't even have the Remain fig leaf to cover their vacuousness.
They'll end up as a minor footnote in the history of this shambolic period.
It doesn’t look like they are going to, and even if they did they still have a pair of trotskyists leading the party. That is quite likely to put off a lot of people. Quite apart from the anti semitism thing.
Yes.
Right now British politics is a Mexican stand off. Both major parties are in danger of splitting. The Tories are in worse shape than Labour, but that does not mean they will split sooner. The splits in the Tory Party are well known and are on display every day, but even the ERG lunatics know that ideological purity in the wilderness is cold comfort compared to being in office (if barely in power).
Labour has been split since the day Corbyn was elected, huge chunks of the PLP act as if Corbyn (and the membership) don't exist. Watson, the titular deputy leader, makes speeches on a daily basis for which he has no authority at all, urging the party to do X, Y and Z as if he were on the outside pissing in, which of course he is.
Much of the reason why May hangs on, is because she is hoping the Labour party will implode before her party does and Corbyn continues with his Euro fudge for much the same reason, never forgetting to mention that a second referendum is somewhere on the table, because the membership demands it as does a whole chunk of Labour support (even if Corbyn himself has difficulty finding it on this mythical table under all his other preferred fantastical options).
If I had to choose I'd say the Tories will implode before Labour, because the clock is ticking faster for May than it is for Corbyn.
Corbyn has played a poor hand well, his poll numbers are up and while there are Labour MPs who despise him they'll keep their council and go with the flow.
The Change group are not just a bunch of cosy moderates, Here is BBC hawk Gavin Esler announcing his candidacy, I don't know about you but he sounds a sinister little fucker to me....
Scroll down, the video is half way down the page...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48021730
I’ve changed my mind, I’m voting Labour.
Bloody turncoat
Well who are you voting for?
Fucking despicable and so is every apologist for this.
https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1114645433681362946?s=
https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1114647115232370688?s=21
https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/status/1114647518422491141?s=21
His office has specifically intervened to defend people who have spread antisemitic conspiracy theories and propaganda.
If he’s not a racist himself, he bloody likes them.
He’s consistent in his anti-British, anti-Western friends.
This is the problem, with you Corbynites, the fucking patronisation whenever someone criticises the Labour leadership stinks.
The last time I read a Daily Mail article was about 2 years ago and it was one by Martin Samuel on FFPR.
I read the Independent and Guardian mostly but get my news from a wide range of journalists on Twitter.
Now back on topic. Your man Corbyn has repeatedly ignored and even on occasion has seen his closest staff defend a sweeping antisemitism problem in the party: by elected representatives and members. He himself - and McDonnell for that matter - have addressed and acknowledged these issues, as has deputy leader Tom Watson to a greater affect.
He specifically said his office didn’t get involved in antisemitic disciplinary procedures and the whole fucking country has seen his office’s emails interfering to defend racists in the party.
He lied about the laying of the wreath at the terrorists grave, this is proven.
He lied about Brexit, this is obvious.
Your line accusing a long time Labour support of believing the mainstream right wing media and your fellow ideologues insistence on attacking those of us who aren’t in the cult of Corbyn as neoliberals or Tories is exactly why the party is on its arse and only narrowly beating the worst government we’ve ever had.
That’s whataboutism though, we all know the Tories and what they’re like and I won’t vote for them.
I want Labour, my party, to be better and Corbyn’s consistently argued for a unified Ireland, in support of IRA members and attended funerals and meetings with them, lied about laying a wreath at the grave of terrorists, supported Hamas etc.
It’s not Murdoch’s papers or Murdoch’s fault. Yes the Daily Mail and Express, scum bag papers, are naturally going to go after Corbyn but it doesn’t mean they’re wrong if they do, on every occasion.
I think it’s no to both?
The Labour Party wasn’t intolerant or anywhere near as intolerant as it is now, probably in its history.
Your one vote will change nothing so with this in mind vote for what you believe, doing otherwise makes you one of them.
@hilts yes it will, I’m voting tactically to get a remainer in.
Plus - there are many decent people in the Labour Party so I don’t buy “one of them”.
There’s probably a lot of reasonable Brexit supporters voting for Farage’s new party for this one election too.