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[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

None it's because she's a hypocrite, a liar and way out of her depth

See you’ve done it again, with your last bit. She might well be a hypocrite and she might well be a liar, but ‘way out of her depth’ is based on what.
Some people actually say that they hate her, which just seems mental.

 

[blueinsa]

Plenty of Tories on government lied and did fuck all.

Starmer will seize the news agenda and do a reshuffle now. Bound to pick someone to try and keep the news channels from touching themselves watching the Farage show later.

And it got the Tories to where they are today.

Enough with the “what about them” shit.

It’s now on Labour. They promised to be different.

 

[meltonblue]

Did she really believe her child owned the house in ashton? Even more damning the law firm came out and said they never advised her on tax matters.

I think her resignation is an admission of guilt

That wasn’t the law firm, that was the conveyancing firm.

She got two pieces of advice saying that it should be the lower stamp duty but both caveated it saying it didn’t constitute expert tax advice and one specifically recommended that specific advice should be obtained.

 

[Manchester33]

As a Labour voter, her position is clearly untenable. She should have resigned immediately — clinging on is pointless when we all know she’ll be gone by the end of September.

If there was any “silver bullet” (proof this was simply misguided but professional advice), it would already be out in the open.

Frustrating, really — she felt closer to a traditional Labour politician than Starmer’s centrism.

I posted this on Wednesday.

It was so clear that her position was untenable as soon as the information surfaced. She's damaged the parties image and put Starmer in an awkward position (after he publicly backed her earlier in the week).

Self-serving and deluded to attempt to cling on. She should have resigned immediately for the good of the party.

 

[Roachy]

Is that because she’s a woman, working class, northern or all 3?

Nope, she's all 3 of them as well.

 

[Tiattos_Waterbottle]

Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.

 

[crystal_mais]

Wonder if she will remain the MP for Ashton - she scraped in with the vote last time with a majority of just under 7000 and around a 50% turnout. With Reform coming 2nd. Based on the last 12 months, I wouldn't be surprised if Reform take the next election here.

 

[meltonblue]

Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.

I’m in a slightly different space to others in that although I thought she should resign and have thought that since she came out with her statement, I think it’s her competence rather than principle that have let her down.

 

[MikeF]

I wouldn’t trust any of them, Labour or otherwise, such is the state of politics in this country. Sad but true.

 

[Ray bloody Purchase]

Lucy Powell. City fan too.

Had to look up Lucy on the net as I wasn’t aware of her, you cannot make up this entry on Wiki:

Powell supports Manchester City F.C.

In 2021, Powell was named as one of 115 landlord Members of Parliament.

 

[ninjamonkey]

Had to go and its of her own doing but its a loss. She's probably the closest thing to "one of us" there has been in a very long time.

 

[MCFC1993]

Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.

In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less tax on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Rayner had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Rayner fell on her sword before she was pushed. It should be the end of it if Angela pays the HMRC but it won’t be Farage enjoying the limelight currently can’t help himself “Labour not fit to govern”

 

[Chippy_boy]

It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

It's entirely possible the HMRC would have come after her for the additional tax, even if it was notionally legal. They have the power to collect tax in situations where an individual has deliberately jumped through hoops to try to avoid paying what would otherwise be payable.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Wonder if she will remain the MP for Ashton - she scraped in with the vote last time with a majority of just under 7000 and around a 50% turnout. With Reform coming 2nd. Based on the last 12 months, I wouldn't be surprised if Reform take the next election here.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I lived in Ashton from birth until i was mid 20's and a little later worked in the town too for 4/5 years probably upto around 1995 or so.

Since then I've been into the town centre only a handful of times and it's just awful & run down...last time I was there I couldn't find a pub doing food apart from spoons at lunchtime.

It's exactly the sort of area that Reform will take unless everyone wakes up.

 

[Roachy]

In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Raynor had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.

Should of sorted all the rules out good and proper for these twats after the expenses scandal.

 

[meltonblue]

It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

I’m confused here, what technicality are you talking about there?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Raynor had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.

Agree with this this. The rule book about what’s acceptable as an MP needs to be torn up and written again. Get someone like Transparency International to do it

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

More likely that she is a politician and we want politicians to act with integrity.

I dont think it helps anyone to misrepresent why people are happy that a politician has been held accountable.

And for her, it's the best thing for her to do if she wants a political future. If she just ignored it and tried to hang on to power she would never be trusted again.

Politicians acting with integrity?
Let’s take Robert Jenrick, a privately educated man, who talks a bit posh and went to Cambridge.
Housing minister who dithered over Grenfell and saw a further 10 fires on his watch.
He charged tax payers £100,000 for a third home in Newark that he ‘used rarely’.
His department awarded funding to his constituency in a process that was not ‘opaque or impartial’
Obviously he was another Covid wanker who said do as I say not as I do as he broke lockdown rules at least twice but stayed on.
He had a Tory council overrule officials on building an extension, due to the damaging impact on a conservation area.

He then approved a £ billion luxury housing development to his mate Richard Desmond, a Tory donor, despite huge opposition and he did it in a rush, on a date which meant Desmond didn’t have to pay a levy of over £30M, which would have applied a few days later. He also allowed Desmond to ‘save’ over £100M by scraping London wide rules for 35% affordable housing to only 21% for this particular development only.
He said that lying on a CV, in the real world, means you resign and lose your job. Obviously, he then had to later admit that he’d lied on his CV!

And, of course, most recently, risked the collapse of a particularly heinous murder trial with his ill timed tweets. That former justice minister and now shadow secretary of stated for Justice.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

It's entirely possible the HMRC would have come after her for the additional tax, even if it was notionally legal. They have the power to collect tax in situations where an individual has deliberately jumped through hoops to try to avoid paying what would otherwise be payable.

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