The Labour Government

Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.
 
Wonder if she will remain the MP for Ashton - she scraped in with the vote last time with a majority of just under 7000 and around a 50% turnout. With Reform coming 2nd. Based on the last 12 months, I wouldn't be surprised if Reform take the next election here.
 
Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.

I’m in a slightly different space to others in that although I thought she should resign and have thought that since she came out with her statement, I think it’s her competence rather than principle that have let her down.
 
Big fuck up from Rayner here, it's right she's resigned and a bit sad as I thought in a world of Yvette Coopers & Rachel Reeves she was a bit more principled and not just diet Tory, and obviously from nearby, nice to hear someone who sounds like you in Parliament.

Still, I look forward to the spotless, non-self serving patriots of Reform to take charge.

In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less tax on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Rayner had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.
 
Rayner fell on her sword before she was pushed. It should be the end of it if Angela pays the HMRC but it won’t be Farage enjoying the limelight currently can’t help himself “Labour not fit to govern”
 
It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

It's entirely possible the HMRC would have come after her for the additional tax, even if it was notionally legal. They have the power to collect tax in situations where an individual has deliberately jumped through hoops to try to avoid paying what would otherwise be payable.
 
Wonder if she will remain the MP for Ashton - she scraped in with the vote last time with a majority of just under 7000 and around a 50% turnout. With Reform coming 2nd. Based on the last 12 months, I wouldn't be surprised if Reform take the next election here.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I lived in Ashton from birth until i was mid 20's and a little later worked in the town too for 4/5 years probably upto around 1995 or so.

Since then I've been into the town centre only a handful of times and it's just awful & run down...last time I was there I couldn't find a pub doing food apart from spoons at lunchtime.

It's exactly the sort of area that Reform will take unless everyone wakes up.
 
In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Raynor had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.
Should of sorted all the rules out good and proper for these twats after the expenses scandal.
 
It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

I’m confused here, what technicality are you talking about there?
 
In a week where its just been confirmed their leader uses a private company to pay less on his GB News earnings.

Not really something a public official should be doing either.

Public officials shouldn't be using tax avoidance schemes, avoidance is against the spirit of the law in which they're designing.

Raynor had to step down but there are others serving as MP's pulling similar shit with tax that need questioning too.
Agree with this this. The rule book about what’s acceptable as an MP needs to be torn up and written again. Get someone like Transparency International to do it
 
More likely that she is a politician and we want politicians to act with integrity.

I dont think it helps anyone to misrepresent why people are happy that a politician has been held accountable.

And for her, it's the best thing for her to do if she wants a political future. If she just ignored it and tried to hang on to power she would never be trusted again.
Politicians acting with integrity?
Let’s take Robert Jenrick, a privately educated man, who talks a bit posh and went to Cambridge.
Housing minister who dithered over Grenfell and saw a further 10 fires on his watch.
He charged tax payers £100,000 for a third home in Newark that he ‘used rarely’.
His department awarded funding to his constituency in a process that was not ‘opaque or impartial’
Obviously he was another Covid wanker who said do as I say not as I do as he broke lockdown rules at least twice but stayed on.
He had a Tory council overrule officials on building an extension, due to the damaging impact on a conservation area.

He then approved a £ billion luxury housing development to his mate Richard Desmond, a Tory donor, despite huge opposition and he did it in a rush, on a date which meant Desmond didn’t have to pay a levy of over £30M, which would have applied a few days later. He also allowed Desmond to ‘save’ over £100M by scraping London wide rules for 35% affordable housing to only 21% for this particular development only.
He said that lying on a CV, in the real world, means you resign and lose your job. Obviously, he then had to later admit that he’d lied on his CV!

And, of course, most recently, risked the collapse of a particularly heinous murder trial with his ill timed tweets. That former justice minister and now shadow secretary of stated for Justice.
 
It was plainly obvious she was on the fiddle. She was maintaining still that Ashton was her primary residence (which she had to do so she could get the government to pay the council tax on her London home). She admitted that she'd be living in the Ashton home regularly.

So she knew full well that she was trying to fiddle the stamp duty on a technicality.

Whether or not she received wrong tax advice from a qualified tax advisor (and of course we now know not), is therefore a bit irrelevant. You can't have government ministers trying to fiddle their taxes by exploiting technicalities.

It's entirely possible the HMRC would have come after her for the additional tax, even if it was notionally legal. They have the power to collect tax in situations where an individual has deliberately jumped through hoops to try to avoid paying what would otherwise be payable.
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More likely that she is a politician and we want politicians to act with integrity.

I dont think it helps anyone to misrepresent why people are happy that a politician has been held accountable.

And for her, it's the best thing for her to do if she wants a political future. If she just ignored it and tried to hang on to power she would never be trusted again.

Worth saying, the ethics report did find that she acted with integrity. She hasn’t lost her job for being found to be dishonest.
 
I’m confused here, what technicality are you talking about there?
If you sell your house to a third party, then it's clear who owns it and no ambiguity nor confusion arises.

But if you put it into trust for another party, whilst still treating it as your main home, it's a different situation isn't it. You're exploiting a technicality to reduce your stamp duty on a second home by claiming it's the only one you own, when in fact you have another home that you are treating as your own.

The fact her son was under 18 meant that technical opportunity ceased to exist.

But as I say, even if he was over 18, she may still have been in trouble. The HMRC can challenge arrangements when they suspect they feel they are contrived to avoid tax.
 

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