The Labour Government

[BobKowalski]

To the point of some of those MPs re the WASPI timing, whist I'm reserving judgement on them as government at the moment, they definitely seem shit at politics. Clearly they have a mostly hostile media to contend with but they don't actually help themselves.

They do seem spectacularly tone deaf at times. I’m all for getting on with things but a bit of media management wouldn’t go amiss, although I’m not sure how much difference it would make. The media hostility is pretty much baked in.

Price of winning an election, I guess.

 

[The perfect fumble]

But people are expecting to see all these changes within just 4-6 months under Labour - surely resolving the Schools, NHS, infrastructure, Prisons etc will take years despite Tax increases.

They will, but, for now, the country is in no mood to give Labour time.

Labour came into office almost by default, support for the Tories collapsed and our electoral system gave Labour a stonking Parliamentary majority, not on a wave of enthusiasm, but on a wafer thin trickle of a "curse on all their houses" and "who else?".

Labour inherited a perfect storm, a crocked economy, a profoundly pessimistic nation, and a bitter right wing media, This would normally be ameliorated by the political capital an incoming government has, but Starmer has none.The wider electorate have never taken to him, less so now, and internally Starmer has burnt so many bridges to get here, that huge chunks of his party loathe him.

 

[BlueHammer85]

They will, but, for now, the country is in no mood to give Labour time.

Labour came into office almost by default, support for the Tories collapsed and our electoral system gave Labour a stonking Parliamentary majority, not on a wave of enthusiasm, but on a wafer thin trickle of a "curse on all their houses" and "who else?".

Labour inherited a perfect storm, a crocked economy, a profoundly pessimistic nation, and a bitter right wing media, This would normally be ameliorated by the political capital an incoming government has, but Starmer has none.The wider electorate have never taken to him, less so now, and internally Starmer has burnt so many bridges to get here, that huge chunks of his party loathe him.

How would you predict the next election ?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Its Labour's fault of course - cunts..... ( and I don't mean Labour )

‘We’re evicting our 90-year-old tenant because of Labour’

Labour’s commitment to end no-fault evictions was sold as a promise to protect tenants and provide them with stable housing.

www.yahoo.com

 

[threespires]

They do seem spectacularly tone deaf at times. I’m all for getting on with things but a bit of media management wouldn’t go amiss, although I’m not sure how much difference it would make. The media hostility is pretty much baked in.

Price of winning an election, I guess.

Yeah I don't get it to be honest. Even things like the 22 billion black hole. I assume the primary purpose was to give them cover in the budget but it feels like they also expected it to be a Liam Byrne Post-It note type moment and establish the financial incompetence of the last government and establish their own. But the imagery is not as powerful and sticking a (largely abstract to most) number on it makes them a hostage to fortune in various ways.

Maybe as you say they've just decided that there's no point in putting too much effort in because the hostility is baked in but given how herculean the task to even start to turn things round will be, they need to treat any political capital they have or can gain as a precious thing.

 

[The perfect fumble]

How would you predict the next election ?

My guess is Labour will win with a greatly reduced majority. The Tories are in the toilet and will be for some time, you can forget Reform, talk of them replacing the Tories is nothing more than a right wing fantasy.

 

[BrianW]

The media is run by crooked, tax-dodging billionaires, many of whom are fascists or even worse, libertarians.

If Jesus Christ Himself was Labour PM, and worked a miracle each day, they would still want him out.

The problem is, the country is in a real mess, not a notional one, and there are no easy wins. Well, there was one, putting up the Minimum Wage, but a lot of people resent that.

Labour has already deported nearly 13,500 illegal immigrants and criminals. You'd never know that from the media.

 

[Resurrection Joe...]

My guess is Labour will win with a greatly reduced majority. The Tories are in the toilet and will be for some time, you can forget Reform, talk of them replacing the Tories is nothing more than a right wing fantasy.

agreed. But if Musk throws Reform 100mill...the landscape could change quite alarmingly...

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

My guess is Labour will win with a greatly reduced majority. The Tories are in the toilet and will be for some time, you can forget Reform, talk of them replacing the Tories is nothing more than a right wing fantasy.

I think there’s a huge danger in this view similar to the UK will never vote to leave the EU.
The more Labour appear to move to protecting corporate interests and shitting on the people who they claim to represent, the more likely the prospect of Farage becomes.
All reform need to do is to ‘get the vote out’ like they did with Brexit. If they’re being bankrolled by Musk and spewing out propaganda via X, we could be at another ‘why not give him a go’ moment.
Of course Musk might also offer ‘incentives’ to vote for Farage, as he did for Trump.
Farage can easily appeal to the working class, many of whom will, somehow, think he’ll have their interests at heart, by pointing at Starmer and the Tories and saying what have they ever done for you? He can now do the same to the pensioners and, if he goes deregulation happy, and he will, the city will love him (if only the working class would understand that if the city approve of a leader, the working class will get shafted).
I’m not saying it’s likely but the danger is believing it can’t happen.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My guess is Labour will win with a greatly reduced majority. The Tories are in the toilet and will be for some time, you can forget Reform, talk of them replacing the Tories is nothing more than a right wing fantasy.

Please god let you be right.