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blueinsa said:
Asylum is costing the treasury nearly £7 Billion a year.

It shows no sign of stopping there either.

Money we should be spending elsewhere.

I’ve no time nor interest in your attempts to label everyone with concerns as a racist or those that marched.

If it makes you feel superior and better then crack on.
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You’re not saying we should be spending all of that money elsewhere here are you?
 
hampshireblue said:
You don't know they are until their asylum claims have been processed. Around 70% are found to have a genuine case and so are not "effectively economic migrants". Those that are will eventually be refused asylum, and hopefully deported. Now,if only that assessment could be carried out before the attampt the crossing.
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The success rate is around 70% because this government and the last one don’t have a clear plan, and they’re effectively waving them through in order to get people out of the system and free up capacity.

Which in turn provides absolutely zero deterrent to people making the crossings in the first place. Why would anyone apply for asylum before making the crossing when you have a roughly 70% chance of getting what you want if you can make it to the UK and convince people that you come from a particular country?

At worst they’ll have a few months, probably longer, playing PlayStation in a hotel having everything done for them.

It’s as simple as that.
 
blueinsa said:
Asylum is costing the treasury nearly £7 Billion a year.

It shows no sign of stopping there either.

Money we should be spending elsewhere.

I’ve no time nor interest in your attempts to label everyone with concerns as a racist or those that marched.

If it makes you feel superior and better then crack on.
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The figure may be true, but over £2bn of the foreign aid budget was moved to spending on asylum seekers. We have removed foreign aid from places, making the issues there worse and potentially causing even more people to leave their homes in search of a better life or asylum.

Not everyone who has an issue with immigration be it legal or irregular is racist, but be under no illusion that ALL racists DO have a problem with any type of immigration.
 
hampshireblue said:
The figure may be true, but over £2bn of the foreign aid budget was moved to spending on asylum seekers. We have removed foreign aid from places, making the issues there worse and potentially causing even more people to leave their homes in search of a better life or asylum.

Not everyone who has an issue with immigration be it legal or irregular is racist, but be under no illusion that ALL racists DO have a problem with any type of immigration.
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Will Self and Marc François’s conversation springs to mind!
 
Brewster's millions said:
The success rate is around 70% because this government and the last one don’t have a clear plan, and they’re effectively waving them through in order to get people out of the system and free up capacity.

Which in turn provides absolutely zero deterrent to people making the crossings in the first place. Why would anyone apply for asylum before making the crossing when you have a roughly 70% chance of getting what you want if you can make it to the UK and convince people that you come from a particular country?
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But equally, taking fucking ages attracts people too. People talk about asylum, but the other route is the trafficking claim. This is common with claimants from countries where there is no obvious grounds for refugee status, like Vietnam. Instead, you can claim to be a victim of trafficking, and while it's generally a less reliable way to be able to stay permanently, it does offer a route to getting dodgy work.

How it works is that you make your claim, for example, saying that you got into debt with a gang and they trafficked you to the UK to pay it off. They then have a 'reasonable grounds' decision, which is an extremely low-threshold check to say that there may be a risk that the person was trafficked, and it has an 88% acceptance rate. The target for this is 5 days, but in reality, even this can take months. They then have to wait for the 'conclusive grounds' check, which is the higher threshold and more in-depth check. The target is 45 days, but in reality, it takes a year to 18 months on average. 54% are then recognised as having 'conclusive grounds,' but only 4 to 7% of those applying are actually granted leave to remain after this.

So why would you bother going through all that when you only have a 4% chance of being able to stay? Well the answer is that it takes so long that the amount of money you can make in the illegal economy in that time makes it worth it, and certain nationalities have a well-established network of this dodgy work (Vietnamese-run weed farms, for example). If people were processed in 45 days and 96% were returned home within that time, do you really think anyone would be paying thousands of dollars and risking their lives for a month of income? Of course not. But 18 months while they wait for a decision? Yeah, that's definitely worth it when you come from a country where a normal job is paying $300 a month.

And like everything else in the UK these days, you also have to think about who benefits from ridiculous inefficiencies. And yet again, it's presented as our tax money going to foreign scroungers, when in reality, the vast majority of that money is ending up in the coffers of private landlords, hotel owners, and other service providers who just happened to donate to the Tory party. It's amazing how a few friends in government can turn your hotel with 2.1 stars on Google reviews into a massive cash cow, isn't it? No-one's staying their by choice? No problem. Just phone up your mate at the foreign office and offer your services.
 
John John said:
www.gbnews.com

Afghan asylum seekers in UK after 'fleeing Taliban' have returned home 'to go on holiday'

The Afghans have been flying into Iran, then crossing the border
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

It's in a few other newspapers as well They are going into Afghanistan with visas from Iran
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The article is based on hearsay, and even if true, we have no idea if it's widespread, but what is clear is that they're suggesting people are crossing illegally to avoid any stamps which would be picked up in the UK.

Now, I'm no fan of the Tories (bear in mind the main source for this story, the "interpreter", made claims relating from 2021 to early 2022), but I don't think we can expect them, or the current Labour Government, to have any control over the Iranian border.
 
117 M34 said:
Is there a reason why we don't just open up application centres abroad to apply for asylum here and say that's the only way they will be accepted?
We could then agree on a figure to be accepted each year and it would allow them all the be vetted.
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What happens to those who come on boats anyhow after this limit has been reached or even straight away
 
Blue and true said:
Useless people like Turkish barbers? I.e, people providing a service? I go to a Turkish barber and he does a good job for a pretty fair price.

What a load of ignorant shite this post is.
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Can you give us the address I've been searching many months for a Turkish barber and can't find one:-)
 
Brewster's millions said:
The success rate is around 70% because this government and the last one don’t have a clear plan, and they’re effectively waving them through in order to get people out of the system and free up capacity.

Which in turn provides absolutely zero deterrent to people making the crossings in the first place. Why would anyone apply for asylum before making the crossing when you have a roughly 70% chance of getting what you want if you can make it to the UK and convince people that you come from a particular country?

At worst they’ll have a few months, probably longer, playing PlayStation in a hotel having everything done for them.

It’s as simple as that.
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Or the successive governments have actually been following the law in determining an asylum status.

Because if the same rules are being applied wherever the processing takes place. the outcome would be the same and potentially saves the asylum seeker a laod of cash and the dangerous crossing. Are you really saying that just because somone comes from a particular country, they are granted asylum? i very much doubt that's the case.
 
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hilts said:
What happens to those who come on boats anyhow after this limit has been reached or even straight away
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We could send them back home as many people already want to happen but we would then be doing it legitimately as they haven't followed the route we have provided for being able to claim asylum.
 
117 M34 said:
We could send them back home as many people already want to happen but we would then be doing it legitimately as they haven't followed the route we have provided for being able to claim asylum.
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One of the real problems is once someone has actually set foot in the country the process becomes long and expensive and agreements with other countries need to be in place.
You would also have to be extremely naive to believe the govt could A) run the selection process with enough vigour or not make mistakes and B) have the resources and be willing to spend large amounts of money or C) have the desire to find people who simply dissappear from the process.
 
hampshireblue said:
Or the successive governments have actually been following international law in determining an asylum status.

Because if the same rules are being applied wherever the processing takes place. the outcome would be the same and potentially saves the asylum seeker a laod of cash and the dangerous crossing. Are you really saying that just because somone comes from a particular country, they are granted asylum? i very much doubt that's the case.
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The fact that over 30% get rejected shows that there is a criteria in place to decide who should and shouldn't be granted asylum. Brewster just thinks anyone can rock up with any old Jackanory and be waved through. If that were the case, then the success rate would be 100% and it wouldn't be taking 18 months or more to process the claims FFS!

For me, it's the processing times that are the main issue - get that down and the overall costs will come down. The quicker they're processed, the quicker we can send back the unsuccessful applicants and the quicker the successful applicants can integrate, get jobs, and pay into the system.
 
blueinsa said:
They’ve managed to get through a hell of a lot of borders before reaching the coast of France with no ID or passports.

Some feat that…
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I assume you know how Schengen and the EU works regarding freedom to travel? Or maybe not with a comment like that above.

One can go from Syria into Turkey and then into the EU. So 2 borders to cross in one way or another.

I bet not a single person on this forum actually has any idea what it means to be deperate enought to up sticks and decide to move several 1000miles. Be it paying up front to get out of or to a particular country or doing it off their own back. Let's not forget who the actual criminals are, the people traffickers. There are very few comments on here about the role they play in the whole situation.
 
M18CTID said:
The fact that over 30% get rejected shows that there is a criteria in place to decide who should and shouldn't be granted asylum. Brewster just thinks anyone can rock up with any old Jackanory and be waved through. If that were the case, then the success rate would be 100% and it wouldn't be taking 18 months or more to process the claims FFS!

For me, it's the processing times that are the main issue - get that down and the overall costs will come down. The quicker they're processed, the quicker we can send back the unsuccessful applicants and the quicker the successful applicants can integrate, get jobs, and pay into the system.
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Bang on!!
 
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