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hampshireblue said:
Maybe it's the way you've communicated things on here that has meant several of us have been "mistaken" over your POV as a boss.

Good on you for taking on apprentices but that completely goes against your view that a lowly cleaner can't be trained to operate the revenue generating machinery.
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I have never said that a cleaner can't be trained
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Not meaning to have a pop again but it wasn’t Labour, it was the Armed Forces who introduced it. And, to get away from politics, it was a requirement following complaints about the old system, where people were paying for food that they didn’t eat, ie. when away for weekends.

That’s why those who were left in camp over the weekend got steak Fridays with the full works, they were spending somebody else’s money ;-)
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Mate the food was shite unless you had an AOCs inspection then suddenly everyone was on steak. The Armed were under control of Labour so that wouldn’t have been done without their consent. Also it was cheap as chips under the old rules, so those complaining are basically those who never wanted to be in there the first place, why go home every weekend your missing the point of been in the military!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Mate the food was shite unless you had an AOCs inspection then suddenly everyone was on steak. The Armed were under control of Labour so that wouldn’t have been done without their consent. Also it was cheap as chips under the old rules, so those complaining are basically those who never wanted to be in there the first place, why go home every weekend your missing the point of been in the military!
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Oh, trust me, we had very many good weekends on those that went home ;-)
 
hampshireblue said:
Ok, I'm bored now but I'll leave your own words here:

"but could the cleaners operate the machinery that makes the product the business sells to generate it's revenue. Answer is no"
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I think you are missing a few simple and fundamental points in your bid to try and score a point.

Can the cleaner operate the machine? No

Can the cleaner be trained to operate the machine? Possibly

Would said cleaner then want tbe pay of the former operator now they are trained? Probably (unless they are an idiot).

Can the machine operator clean? Yes.

So as a business owner (if I needed to cut costs) I can lay off my operator, train my cleaner to be an machine operator to pay the cleaner the money I was previously paying my machine operator and not have a cleaner OR I could not have a cleaner and just have my machine operator do the cleaning.

It’s really not difficult to understand.
 
hampshireblue said:
Ok, I'm bored now but I'll leave your own words here:

"but could the cleaners operate the machinery that makes the product the business sells to generate it's revenue. Answer is no"
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I'll put it in simple terms as you are struggling to grasp what I said.

Machine operators leaves company.........no revenue from that machine
Can cleaner with no operating experience of the machine operate said machine....... no, so no revenue from that machine.
Could said cleaner be trained to operate said machine........ yes, however that would take time and while being trained there would be no revenue from said machine.

At no time did I say they couldn't be trained. My comment said that the cleaner couldn't just immediately replace the machine operator. You and others have chosen to twist what I said to fit your own narrative. Poor show.
 
maxwellblue said:
I'll put it in simple terms as you are struggling to grasp what I said.

Machine operators leaves company.........no revenue from that machine
Can cleaner with no operating experience of the machine operate said machine....... no, so no revenue from that machine.
Could said cleaner be trained to operate said machine........ yes, however that would take time and while being trained there would be no revenue from said machine.

At no time did I say they couldn't be trained. My comment said that the cleaner couldn't just immediately replace the machine operator. You and others have chosen to twist what I said to fit your own narrative. Poor show.
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Please stop digging. This started with a comment that "And if you're in a non-revenue generating service industry, which many lower paid workers are?" to which your response was "That's not a business".

Obviously service industries are revenue generating. Cleaning services generate revenue from people who want cleaners. Your machine operators generate revenue from people who want what the machine makes. The people who made your machines generate revenue from your buying their machines. The workers buy food from people who generate revenue from growing the food, perhaps using machines.

In short they're all businesses. What a pointless debate.

Now if you want to ask why the people who put in capital may get more reward than the people who put in the labour we could have a more productive discussion.
 
Vic said:
Please stop digging. This started with a comment that "And if you're in a non-revenue generating service industry, which many lower paid workers are?" to which your response was "That's not a business".

Obviously service industries are revenue generating. Cleaning services generate revenue from people who want cleaners. Your machine operators generate revenue from people who want what the machine makes. The people who made your machines generate revenue from your buying their machines. The workers buy food from people who generate revenue from growing the food, perhaps using machines.

In short they're all businesses. What a pointless debate.

Now if you want to ask why the people who put in capital may get more reward than the people who put in the labour we could have a more productive discussion.
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Wrong, that wasnt my first comment, please get your facts right.

And the question you quote asks "and if you're in a NON revenue generating business" you have come back trying to be smart with "obviously service industries ARE revenue generating"

As you say a pointless debate if you can't get the basic points right.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Spoons buy end of line beer that needs to be shifted quickly hence the low price, their food is generic and cheap. Large nationwide chains better buying power. I’ve often said if pubs halved their prices footfall would quadruple and then the knock on would be more money spent on food etc.
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I think you'll find that spoons buying end of line beer is a myth
 
maxwellblue said:
Wrong, that wasnt my first comment, please get your facts right.

And the question you quote asks "and if you're in a NON revenue generating business" you have come back trying to be smart with "obviously service industries ARE revenue generating"

As you say a pointless debate if you can't get the basic points right.
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Er, that comment (not mine) was using your distinction that only machine operators generate revenue.

"While everyone within a business should have a positive function. The most important people are the ones that generate revenue."

Is your business making shovels?
 
Vic said:
Er, that comment (not mine) was using your distinction that only machine operators generate revenue.

"While everyone within a business should have a positive function. The most important people are the ones that generate revenue."

Is your business making shovels?
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I never said it was your comment, just that you quoted it.
Please explain how your latest comment, above has any relevance to the post to which you were replying to. You seem to be taking selective snippets on what I've said to try and justify your petty attempts at points scoring.

May I suggest you take the time and look back at my first post on this on Friday(not the post you qoted btw) and all the ones after that. You probably won't though.
 
mosssideblue said:
It is but it’s fascinating seeing how deep a hole Max has and continues to dig.
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And it's fascinating to see the likes of you and Vic ignoring what's put in front of you and twistingfacts to suit you own narrative because you are so desperate to score points. Just like the labour government .

There kept the thread on topic.
 
maxwellblue said:
I never said it was your comment, just that you quoted it.
Please explain how your latest comment, above has any relevance to the post to which you were replying to. You seem to be taking selective snippets on what I've said to try and justify your petty attempts at points scoring.

May I suggest you take the time and look back at my first post on this on Friday(not the post you qoted btw) and all the ones after that. You probably won't though.
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If you also bother to look back, this started over Axel, I think it was basically saying anyone with a mundane, low status job was getting paid too much.

From my POV there was no intent to point score, just to highlight that whatever "business" or organisation one is in, it requires a whole team of people to allow it to operate successfully, from the very lowest to the "revenue earners".

In the multi £m organisation I worked in, it was very apparent if say, the cleaners had not done their job properly or someone was sick, but certainly not the case if the unit manger was on leave for a few days or weeks. I know which was the most important for me carrying out my safety critical role on a day to day basis.
 
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Brewster's millions said:
14% in the polls and suddenly the possibility or otherwise for a cleaner to retrain as a machine operator becomes the focus of discussion.
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Just folk calling out the likes of you and the other right wingers who like to look down on people you believe your're above.

The world would be far better with less of the latter and more of the former.
 
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