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Vic said:
She's gone and still in your head. Keep up the good work, Angie.
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On that basis I’d better get all my criticisms of Reeves out of the way in the next few months before she departs then.

Terrible speech today from her today. A poor speech with appalling delivery.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Nothing would give people a bigger kick up the arse then to make work pay because work has paid less and less over time. The public sector has for example seen only pay freezes for over a decade which is why they're asking for such large pay rises. Not working has indeed become somewhat endemic but that's just a product of the alternative becoming a much poorer choice or even pointless.

Working full time on the minimum wage of £12.21 gets you £1807pm before pension/tax/NI. A flat near me is £900pm so that doesn't leave you with much for food, bills and everything else. For those in the south (where most people live) it is literally impossible to live off that wage. So I just ask for such people what is actually the point in working?

If you worked on the minimum wage instead of being on benefits then could you afford a house? Could you afford to pay your rent and bills? Doubtful. Your standard of living at best is essentially the same or maybe worse. This is why people are making that choice and yes it's lazy but that's just a difference of principle and not a difference of end reality. For many working or not working is the same thing, you're still poor at the end of the day.

I'm not making excuses for them but if you want to give people a kick up the arse then strangling them is the wrong way to go about it. Making work pay, giving people livelihoods to enable them to enjoy life and enable simple things such as owning a home is the way. Funnily enough people with spare cash in their pockets often go out and spend it so it's a job creation scheme in itself.

The alternative is to ignore people and yes implement a world where Tesco can make £2.4bn this year instead of £2bn with much of that not being reinvested but instead going to shareholders who don't even live or pay tax here, brilliant......
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Very good post and gives thought to the differences in wealth. There’s a lot of those people working at the likes of Tesco who are also claiming in-work benefits or some form of housing benefit, yet their CEO takes home a whopping £10 mil a year in various renumeration packages. Just think about that for a second, a company making £3 Billion per year, with the heads of the company getting multi-million pound packages, being subsidised by the tax payer.

If you want to know where all the money goes, this is a perfect example.
 
Brewster's millions said:
On that basis I’d better get all my criticisms of Reeves out of the way in the next few months before she departs then.

Terrible speech today from her today. A poor speech with appalling delivery.
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You just hate anything Labour. Didn’t listen to it myself but there’s many, of either persuasion, who have said it was a good speech, probably one of her best.

Ps. Is your real name Rees-Mogg?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You just hate anything Labour. Didn’t listen to it myself but there’s many, of either persuasion, who have said it was a good speech, probably one of her best.

Ps. Is your real name Rees-Mogg?
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One of her best speeches doesn’t make it a good speech.

The delivery was terrible, like she was reading out someone else’s speech. And the way she kept on repeating the line about the difference between a Conservative and Labour government was weird- it don’t land the first time she said it and then she kept on repeating it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Mahmood demands migrants earn right to settlement in UK

New tests will include learning English to a high standard, paying National Insurance and not claiming benefits.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Under the proposals, legal migrants will have to learn English to a high standard, have a clean criminal record and volunteer in their community to be granted permanent settlement status.

errr .......... "have to volunteer"? If you have to volunteer then its not volunteering is it?
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Pandering to Reform again. Rather than attacking them and trying to make life better for the majority.
 
hampshireblue said:
Is that the bankng meltdown that started with Lehmann Brothers, that well known
UK, er no, US bank?
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Correct, but do acquaint yourself with Gordon's version of events, certainly not alone in responsibility for what happened but he made some very big mistakes and our economy in particular was badly damaged because of the importance of the financial sector.

 
Brewster's millions said:
One of her best speeches doesn’t make it a good speech.

The delivery was terrible, like she was reading out someone else’s speech. And the way she kept on repeating the line about the difference between a Conservative and Labour government was weird- it don’t land the first time she said it and then she kept on repeating it.
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This sudden turn of posters hating a political party just because of who they are and them not being their side has got to stop.

This forum was always well balanced in that respect and its upsetting to see such partisan posting all of a sudden tbh.
 
Brewster's millions said:
One of her best speeches doesn’t make it a good speech.

The delivery was terrible, like she was reading out someone else’s speech. And the way she kept on repeating the line about the difference between a Conservative and Labour government was weird- it don’t land the first time she said it and then she kept on repeating it.
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I agree re the Lab/ Con comparison but rather than her delivery, what pissed you off with the content ?
 
Brewster's millions said:
RBS, Lloyds, Northern Rock, Bradford and Bingley. All US banks as well I suppose?
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My point was that the post I replied to blamed Brown's deregulation for the banking crisis as opposed to reality which was:

"It stemmed from the bursting of the U.S. housing bubble and the subsequent collapse in the value of mortgage-backed securities, triggering a loss of confidence in the banking system worldwide."

Yes, some deregulation had taken place but it was far from being the main reason for the meltdown. Anyway aren't you far right wingers all for a reduced state with a light regulatory touch?
 
Brewster's millions said:
One of her best speeches doesn’t make it a good speech.

The delivery was terrible, like she was reading out someone else’s speech. And the way she kept on repeating the line about the difference between a Conservative and Labour government was weird- it don’t land the first time she said it and then she kept on repeating it.
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Let's face it, she/ they could make you a bloody millionaire overnight and you'd moan and say it should have 2!
 
johnny crossan said:
Correct, but do acquaint yourself with Gordon's version of events, certainly not alone in responsibility for what happened but he made some very big mistakes and our economy in particular was badly damaged because of the importance of the financial sector.

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So, unlike most politicians, he admits making mistakes "but we weren't alone in that the mistake was made by JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY"

"While the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) impacted countries worldwide, some were far more severely affected than others, particularly those with unsustainable housing market bubbles and high levels of debt. Key countries that experienced the biggest consequences include Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Greece, Spain, and the United States.Most other developed countries were also affected, the UK being one of them"

So far from "our economy in particular".
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Very good post and gives thought to the differences in wealth. There’s a lot of those people working at the likes of Tesco who are also claiming in-work benefits or some form of housing benefit, yet their CEO takes home a whopping £10 mil a year in various renumeration packages. Just think about that for a second, a company making £3 Billion per year, with the heads of the company getting multi-million pound packages, being subsidised by the tax payer.

If you want to know where all the money goes, this is a perfect example.
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Yep and when people talk of growth and tax cuts they don't realise what that means and what they're really talking about.

It just seems utterly mad to me that there are other people seriously suggesting that we stimulate growth through tax cuts when those tax cuts are then inevitably funded by decreases in public spending.

Imagine if a government came out and was actually honest. We're going to give Tesco a tax cut and you're going to pay for it.

Will that at least mean cheaper food? Err, no not really, it'll mean that the shareholders and the CEO at Tesco get a nice bonus. Will Tesco employees get a big payrise at least? Err no, not really. Well can they at least go on strike to get one? Err, no not really because we're going to ban those.

It's total crazy talk and yet this is Tory and Reform economic policy. And this is why they're utilising the media and firing up social media to get people to blame immigrants for all of the above. It's pro-business and pro-growth at the expense of everybody else.
 
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hampshireblue said:
So, unlike most politicians, he admits making mistakes "but we weren't alone in that the mistake was made by JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY"

"While the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) impacted countries worldwide, some were far more severely affected than others, particularly those with unsustainable housing market bubbles and high levels of debt. Key countries that experienced the biggest consequences include Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Greece, Spain, and the United States. Most other developed countries were also affected, the UK being one of them"

So far from "our economy in particular".
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Fair enough.
 
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