The Labour Government

Chippy_boy said:
Are you really this naive, or just blinkered? Where do you think these speculations originate from? You think the Tories leaked them but your beloved Labour party is so squeaky clean, such tactics would be beneath them? Come off it mate, you're not that daft, you can't be.
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Without evidence, you shouldn't judge one government on the practice of the previous ones.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
That’s not exaggeration, that’s plain and simple ‘lying/misinformation’.

I shake my head when thinking that one of the biggest publications in the UK has turned to such means to influence and divide people.
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True. Maybe I was giving the DM a little bit too much credit when they don't deserve any!
 
Why the hell does she keep trotting out the same line - everyone knows there's no similarity between a Labour Government and a Conservative Government.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Interesting. Listened early than that and Ferrari who used the headline as the truth, but the same broadcaster then changes tac to show the lie?

Confused? You will be ;-)
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It is a very interesting balance they strike. Ferrari doesn't actually have the nouse to vary his pre-prepared notes. i know this as a few weeks ago, he stated something right at the start that was factually untrue, I called to point this out. An hour later he did the interview spouting exactly the same lie. He's very much a traditional tabloid journalist but unfortunately for him, he's in a digital world where his bullshit can be pointed out if people can be bothered to do it.
 
Vic said:
Without evidence, you shouldn't judge one government on the practice of the previous ones.
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Bravo. How you manage to keep this up is quite remarkable. You have no evidence at all that the Tories leaked possible policy moves any more than Labour do. But don't let that get in the way of your dogma. You never do.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
These companies don't just prioritise tax benefits, they also have to prioritise a workforce that is educated and isn't off long term sick but unless we increase spending then these kind of things are going to get worse. Surely spending cuts to fund tax cuts will make this even worse?

Productivity is on its arse, the lowest in a generation and that isn't because there are too many immigrants or because taxes are too high.

There is a second reason why those companies base themselves in Ireland and I think that's also pretty obvious because the UK may be 30 miles away but legally and logistically we may as well be in New Zealand. When Reform get in what's left of our relationship with the EU will be torn apart and no company will ever choose to base here.

Elon Musk had a choice of where to build Tesla's in Europe and he could have chosen the UK but instead he chose Germany? Why is that? It isn't because of taxation.
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1. These companies located to Iraland and NOT the UK, whilst we were in the EU.
2. Your point on skills and workforce availability is of course a factor - it would be daft to argue otherwise. But do think that Ireland was so much better placed than the UK in that regard? Of course it wasn't. The tax regime was the main reason they picked Ireland.

And regards Musk, doubtless Ed fucking arsehole **** Milliband's obsession with driving up our energy bills so he can feel got about reducing the world's CO2 but 0.3%, is a big factor is Musk picking Germany and not the UK.

3. Yes we need to get more people back in work. But how about a bit of stick as well as carrot? All Labour ever want to do is carrot. There's plenty of people genuinely unable to work who could possibly do some work if helped. I am all for helping them. But there's also a load of malingerers who need a kick up their arse and stop moaning about "But it's affecting my mental heath" when they mean "I don't like it, I get stressed". Many of them need to suck it up and get a job

Before anyone jumps down my throat (doubtless the usual communists will anyway), I am NOT saying this is everyone, but it is undeniably a certain cohort.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Bravo. How you manage to keep this up is quite remarkable. You have no evidence at all that the Tories leaked possible policy moves any more than Labour do. But don't let that get in the way of your dogma. You never do.
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To be fair, anyone that watched parliament during the Tories tenure would know that.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
£26000 leads to £2686 (£258.27 weekly) tax and £1073.28 (£20.64 weekly) NI. Take home is £22240.72 or £427.71 a week.

£13,000 leads to £86 (£1.65 weekly) tax and £33.28 (£0.64 weekly) NI. Take home is £12880.72 or £247.71 a week. For 2 people, all values double giving a take home of £25,761.44 or £495.42 a week.

£495.42 - £427.71 =£67.71
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Thanks. The replies I made previously had been specifically talking about income tax and personal allowances, therefore NI was not a part of that discussion or included in my calculation. Thanks again though.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
How many gullible millions will be lapping this up.

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The millions that lap the DM headlines up won’t vote anyway, the DM making money out of gullible fools selling lies to make money. I heard the PM criticising Reform for their racist views not the general population. The media push reform constantly as if the Lib Dem’s don’t exist, the general public that vote are more intelligent than the DM and Sun readers are.
 
johnny crossan said:
The past has nowt to do with us says Sam Wright, Starmer's former adviser. He claims the 'Original Sin' committed by Labour is taking ownership of the disastrous state of the nation in every respect - economic, military and political - after Brexit and 14 years of Tory pillage. (Brown's deregulation leading to the banking meltdown not included though.)
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Is that the bankng meltdown that started with Lehmann Brothers, that well known UK, er no, US bank?
 
Chippy_boy said:
1. These companies located to Iraland and NOT the UK, whilst we were in the EU.
2. Your point on skills and workforce availability is of course a factor - it would be daft to argue otherwise. But do think that Ireland was so much better placed than the UK in that regard? Of course it wasn't. The tax regime was the main reason they picked Ireland.

And regards Musk, doubtless Ed fucking arsehole **** Milliband's obsession with driving up our energy bills so he can feel got about reducing the world's CO2 but 0.3%, is a big factor is Musk picking Germany and not the UK.

3. Yes we need to get more people back in work. But how about a bit of stick as well as carrot? All Labour ever want to do is carrot. There's plenty of people genuinely unable to work who could possibly do some work if helped. I am all for helping them. But there's also a load of malingerers who need a kick up their arse and stop moaning about "But it's affecting my mental heath" when they mean "I don't like it, I get stressed". Many of them need to suck it up and get a job

Before anyone jumps down my throat (doubtless the usual communists will anyway), I am NOT saying this is everyone, but it is undeniably a certain cohort.
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Nothing would give people a bigger kick up the arse then to make work pay because work has paid less and less over time. The public sector has for example seen only pay freezes for over a decade which is why they're asking for such large pay rises. Not working has indeed become somewhat endemic but that's just a product of the alternative becoming a much poorer choice or even pointless.

Working full time on the minimum wage of £12.21 gets you £1807pm before pension/tax/NI. A flat near me is £900pm so that doesn't leave you with much for food, bills and everything else. For those in the south (where most people live) it is literally impossible to live off that wage. So I just ask for such people what is actually the point in working?

If you worked on the minimum wage instead of being on benefits then could you afford a house? Could you afford to pay your rent and bills? Doubtful. Your standard of living at best is essentially the same or maybe worse. This is why people are making that choice and yes it's lazy but that's just a difference of principle and not a difference of end reality. For many working or not working is the same thing, you're still poor at the end of the day.

I'm not making excuses for them but if you want to give people a kick up the arse then strangling them is the wrong way to go about it. Making work pay, giving people livelihoods to enable them to enjoy life and enable simple things such as owning a home is the way. Funnily enough people with spare cash in their pockets often go out and spend it so it's a job creation scheme in itself.

The alternative is to ignore people and yes implement a world where Tesco can make £2.4bn this year instead of £2bn with much of that not being reinvested but instead going to shareholders who don't even live or pay tax here, brilliant......
 
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