Eccles Blue
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I used a skiffle board and a mangle but they broke. Overworked you see. :-)
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The Labour Government
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The pay rise is paid for mainly by cancelling infrastructure projects and increasing taxes. There is some payment by changes in services, eg no winter fuel allowance for some, scrapping cap on social care payments etc.I see the blame the unions/public sector tory bullshit has now reared it's head.
blame the tories, blame.the top 1% evading tax and robbing the national purse, blame reeves for taking a conservative approach to it rather than being brave.
The trope that a payrise for the public sector is paid by us being denied services is untrue, tiresome and boring.
I'm really not sure where the "killing 4000" came from, and don't intend to minimise the problem of pensioner poverty.So are you in favour of taking the payment off pensioners and killing 4000 of them or not Vic?, come on you can be honest here. I promise not to remove the whip on you:-)
Oh almost missed that, a top indicator when someone picks a side and spends their life defending them.
Your side - they have received x amount extra
Other side - it's not an increase its keeping up with the cost of living. Otherwise it's a pay cut.
So transparent
But the "top indicator" (from Age UK) is that under Labour 1997-2010 the number of pensioners "living in poverty after housing costs" fell from 2.9m to 1.6m and after 14 years of the Tories it was back over 2m.
(That's poverty related to average incomes.)
For the record, while I've put the WF payment in context, and while I and most pensioners don't need it, I don't think I actually said that restricting it was a good idea. But that opens up a wider discussion about tax and spend policy in a world where taxation is seen as imposition rather than an opportunity.
Eccles Blue
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Bury us where we fall and use us as manure/compost for the garden? ;-)they could force pensioners to work on the building sites, kill two birds with one stone
Churchlawtonblue
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She tells her 'employee' to do it. The bank of England's boss is the Chancellor. The Chancellor appoints the Bof E Governor.How does she lower interest rates?
You didn't actually think they were independent did you?
Scottyboi
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they could force pensioners to work on the building sites, kill two birds with one stone
Get Eccles Blue Hod carrying, no chance of getting cold doing that!
mosssideblue
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Really?She tells her 'employee' to do it. The bank of England's boss is the Chancellor. The Chancellor appoints the Bof E Governor.
You didn't actually think they were independent did you?
BrianW
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I would advise any young person to start putting money away for their private pension asap. The SIPP is a good one, but take advice if you're in doubt. Your retirement may seem a long way away, but it soon creeps up on you. It's well worth missing a few gigs, or even holidays, if that's what it takes.
Don't leave yourself reliant on the state as the way things are going the state will give you SFA, and you don't want to spend your last 20-30 huddling over a candle and eating cold baked beans.
Don't leave yourself reliant on the state as the way things are going the state will give you SFA, and you don't want to spend your last 20-30 huddling over a candle and eating cold baked beans.
It will be a bumpy ride. One problem is the income tax structure. Talk of taxing the rich is nonsense because the amount raised is small. The only way to raise meaningful sums is to increase tax in the middle because that’s where the vast amount of the money is. But most votes too are there and we know what that means.We need to get used though to a different level of tax. The problem is and I can sort of see where this is going, we're probably going to get higher levels of taxation but will public services be improved as a result?
Labour have still not committed to any additional NHS funding and most things are shite and don't work. So far they've committed to the relatively immaterial. If they're panicking over £20bn for this then what is going to happen when they need to find £20bn for the NHS and more for everything else?
So far I've seen that they've moved to satisfy their political goals, IE, appease their union mates but the rest is about talking up tax and austerity. I had some hope but so far that has dropped and I think we're in for a painful 5 years. If this is what's to come then the next election will be a lot closer than the last one...
metalblue
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I'm not pleased about losing my winter fuel payment but this is what happens when politicians are manipulated into making unrealistic pledges not to touch the main taxes. You can expect more of the same, instead of basic tax going up to (say) 22p.
Income tax is the fairest tax, although it would be a lot fairer if fewer cunts dodged paying it.
The other thing is, there should be more focus on taxing assets. I have argued before for Land Value Tax, but the problem is the Norman families would kick up a fuss, and the Daily Mail would tell us every pensioner would be taxed on their garden. So it's hard to do politically.
As for Bamford, if he really does owe £500,000,000 in tax, it's a fucking scandal and he should have all his assets sequestrated. But the other scandal is why was it allowed in the first place. HMRC would be on to me like a ton of bricks if I owed £100. I know that from experience.
Yup, just raise our taxes already.