The Labour Government

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This isn't about the Tories, Blairs comment wasn't really about that. Just because the Tories brought in immigrants doesn't make them right either.

It was about Blairs snidey comment about we have to be careful with immigration because the population wont like it, like he would just open the floodgates if nobody said nowt.

Watch what they do ... not what they say

Blairs Government were never going to open the 'Floodgates'' as Tories allege . The legislation proposed and in the pipeline was exactly the opposite ... and all whilst we honoured our international agreements / legislation.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Without having got in to the detail of what this means, on the surface, well done Lammy.

UK to suspend some arms sales to Israel, foreign secretary announces

David Lammy said the ban was "not an arms embargo" - but there was a "clear risk" that some UK weapons could be used in violation of international law.

news.sky.com

No doubt tomorrow the Labour Party will once again be charged with being ''Anti - Semitic''

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'll go out on a limb and say anyone out on a riot against immigration is not likely to be a Labour voter, or it they are I'd rather nor be asking for their vote.

Whereas the Tories have provided the rhetoric that we heard from the rioters.

Well that's one hell of a limb. Have you not SEEN the anti-immigration sentiment amongst the working class in the red wall seats? My god you'd be blind to miss it.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Well that's one hell of a limb. Have you not SEEN the anti-immigration sentiment amongst the working class in the red wall seats? My god you'd be blind to miss it.

Tories have got to hate something or someone.

 

[Vic]

OK, watched it. John McTernan was talking nonsense. Thousands and thousands of people went outside to protest during these riots. A small number - perhaps a hundred or even a couple of hundred, I would guess - out of the thousands, were obviously criminals and did engage in riot. But thousands did not riot, they stood and watched and perhaps chanted or shouted.

To suggest they are all far-right racists is just ridiculous. Apart from anything else, the majority of people in many of those towns are Labour supporters. McTernan is just yet another example of someone who is not prepared to acknowledge that people are concerned about mass immigration. How on earth does he think Reform got 4,1m votes? Who were these voters, does he think?

People who just stood and watched and perhaps chanted or shouted?

 

[Vic]

A proportion of whom should not have been arrested. One man was arrested for shouting at a police dog.

Not just for that.

 

[metalblue]

I'll go out on a limb and say anyone out on a riot against immigration is not likely to be a Labour voter, or it they are I'd rather nor be asking for their vote.

Whereas the Tories have provided the rhetoric that we heard from the rioters.

You may be right but that is a bold statement. Weren’t the majority of brexiteers Labour voters (if not the majority a significant number)? Wasn’t the main reason people voted Brexit because of immigration?

It’s easy to just brand the rioters as racist whereas they are as likely to be motivated by nationalism / xenophobia - and there is no difference between far left xenophobia and far right xenophobia. It’s not as if Labour went in to the election with a positive message on immigration but rather they would control it better than the tories. Now xenophobic folk may not care enough to go out on to the streets and riot and if your premise is that only the racists care enough to go riot you may well be right.

With the rise of popularity of politicians spouting this kind of message it is dangerous to just pigeonhole people and think the racists are the whole problem when it’s feels more cross board than that - what we really need to do is change the narrative on immigration and stop talking about it as a negative or in negative terms. Brexit was lost as remain got dragged in to leaves orbit rather than fight on its stronger ground, mainstream politics needs to make sure they don’t get in to making the same mistakes again with Farage and co.

 

[metalblue]

No doubt tomorrow the Labour Party will once again be charged with being ''Anti - Semitic''

Probably. I’m not sure the British electorate will see it as such though.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re Starmers constant lying, this should be played on repeat ad nauseum until the lying twat comes clean that he's simply creating an excuse to stuff the British taxpayer.

This from May this year.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Re Starmers constant lying, this should be played on repeat ad nauseum until the lying twat comes clean that he's simply creating an excuse to stuff the British taxpayer.

This from May this year.

You're clutching at more straws than a scarecrow trying to have a w@nk

 

[Chippy_boy]

You're clutching at more straws than a scarecrow trying to have a w@nk

Really? Are you REALLY that up his arse? Here he is IN MAY saying there's a £46bn black hole, and then once elected, he doesn't know about any black hole and a £22bn black hole has come as a huge shock.

If you can, could you try to explain and justify or even attempt to explain this without looking silly? Go on, give your best shot. I could do with a laugh.

(We can gloss over him clearly criticizing any plans to end the WFA.)

 

[Vic]

Well that's one hell of a limb. Have you not SEEN the anti-immigration sentiment amongst the working class in the red wall seats? My god you'd be blind to miss it.

I've seen it, and there were plenty choosing between Reform and Labour because of anti-immigration sentiment but not many would be rioting. I can think of a few who might go on a riot, but I can't think of any who would be recorded as likely to be voting Labour.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

You're clutching at more straws than a scarecrow trying to have a w@nk

Is that even a real news channel?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Not many will know on here but in the next 6 months or so there’s going to be another big shock for Labour on public pensions at the last count they will need to find £17billion due to the Mcloud remedy on age discrimination plus there is compensation payments on top of that. How they are going to do that I’ve no ideas but it’s coming.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've seen it, and there were plenty choosing between Reform and Labour because of anti-immigration sentiment but not many would be rioting. I can think of a few who might go on a riot, but I can't think of any who would be recorded as likely to be voting Labour.

Can we stop all this pretending that everyone who went outside at all, was a rioter. It's a preposterous suggestion. But I suppose it's something you have to cling to if you are to fall in line with the Starmer lie.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Is that even a real news channel?

Surprised you've not tried to suggest it was not your illustrious leader being caught telling porkies. Do you think it is a deep fake perhaps?

btw, TalkTV is part of News UK- the business that includes The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, The Sun on Sunday and The TLS. Also talkSPORT, Times Radio, and Virgin Radio UK

 

[Vic]

You may be right but that is a bold statement. Weren’t the majority of brexiteers Labour voters (if not the majority a significant number)? Wasn’t the main reason people voted Brexit because of immigration?

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No, it's well established that most Labour voters voted Remain. Ashcroft's polling suggested 63/37 for Remain.

But that was a lot of Labour voters willing to "get Brexit done" and abandon Labour to vote for Liar Johnson in 2019. I see little political advantage for Labour in encouraging "conversations" about immigration. Just deal with the asylum application backlog, get people out of hotels into jobs that Brits won't do (but pretend they would) and build more housing (using immigrant labour).

 

[Vic]

Can we stop all this pretending that everyone who went outside at all, was a rioter. It's a preposterous suggestion. But I suppose it's something you have to cling to if you are to fall in line with the Starmer lie.

Why didn't they go home when rioting started? Why was your innocent 63-year-old still shouting at the police?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Can we stop all this pretending that everyone who went outside at all, was a rioter. It's a preposterous suggestion. But I suppose it's something you have to cling to if you are to fall in line with the Starmer lie.

Why would someone go outside to stand and watch a riot whilst amongst the rioters?

I was in Birmingham on the Wednesday of that hoax and most people stayed indoors and the streets were quiet, and lots of businesses closed.

There was a labour councillor in london who got carried away and incited violence against rioters whilst at a peaceful counterprotest. Not sure you can really peddle the two-tier policing bollocks.

He was immediately charged. You are peddling far-right nutter stuff now. I'm honestly a bit surprised.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Why didn't they go home when rioting started? Why was your innocent 63-year-old still shouting at the police?

He wanted his country back (from all those black and brown immigrants wiping backsides after finishing their masters degrees)?