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The Labour Government
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jimharri
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Not living in Blighty, I don't really keep abreast of domestic UK politics. Or come on here that much. But I just saw a couple of videos on YT, of people discussing the possibility of the government scrapping/ limiting the winter fuel allowance. Is that right?
mexico1970
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Not living in Blighty, I don't really keep abreast of domestic UK politics. Or come on here that much. But I just saw a couple of videos on YT, of people discussing the possibility of the government scrapping/ limiting the winter fuel allowance. Is that right?
It's more that they kept all the shit Tory policies and have no plans to get rid of them after years of calling them cruel.
They are removing the fuel allowance for well off pensioners but the bar will fall to catch others less fortunate in the trap.
It's a really bizarre state of affairs really our politics.Some of their policies are good, others are bad.
Their huge tax increases and targeting of the wealthy is a real sickener though and means we will move abroad to avoid fucking huge annual tax bills. I don’t see how it’s fair to tax people on foreign income that stays abroad, so I’d rather move away and we’ll spend our money elsewhere.
Also, Labour seem to be reverting to type and being absolutely shite for defence despite the current state of the world and Russia in particular. Some serious investment in the Navy and in air defence is needed yet they are actually planning more cuts.
We previously had a really shite government where just about anybody could of done better. The sentiment at the moment though is because we've dared put Labour in they have to churn out results instantly. Did the Tories do anything whatsoever that is good for the last 5 years? What about even Pep in his first year at city?
Labour aren't going to be perfect and they will be absolutely shite at some things but the fundamental point is they were voted in to be at least 1% better and that's over 5 years and not 2 months. We're going to see evolution and not revolution because revolution is physically impossible, but at least we're not seeing devolution as with the Tories...
The biggest challenge for Starmer is getting his PR machine around this simple problem. A huge chunk of people still actually believe that Labour will be worse than the Tories and you just have to look at the last 15 years and question how?
I could understand if they were good at something. For example immigration is a big topic so were the Tories good at immigration? No they weren't so how can Labour be worse? I'm willing to give Starmer time and if he ballses it all up then he will still probably have done better than Boris, Truss or Sunak ever did.
BridgyDids
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The UK could be a paradise, with all inequality, crime and poverty made extinct in 12 months, and there would be people in here telling us how bad Kier Starmer and the Labour Party is. That’s why after 12 weeks they are saying they are the worst in history.Not everyone is as rabid as you in their dislike of them.
Like I said, it’s worth revisiting after 12 months.
May as well talk to a wall
Alan Harper's Tash
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8 weeks!The UK could be a paradise, with all inequality, crime and poverty made extinct in 12 months, and there would be people in here telling us how bad Kier Starmer and the Labour Party is. That’s why after 12 weeks they are saying they are the worst in history.
May as well talk to a wall
mexico1970
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It's a really bizarre state of affairs really our politics.
We previously had a really shite government where just about anybody could of done better. The sentiment at the moment though is because we've dared put Labour in they have to churn out results instantly. Did the Tories do anything whatsoever that is good for the last 5 years? What about even Pep in his first year at city?
Labour aren't going to be perfect and they will be absolutely shite at some things but the fundamental point is they were voted in to be at least 1% better and that's over 5 years and not 2 months. We're going to see evolution and not revolution because revolution is physically impossible, but at least we're not seeing devolution as with the Tories...
The biggest challenge for Starmer is getting his PR machine around this simple problem. A huge chunk of people still actually believe that Labour will be worse than the Tories and you just have to look at the last 15 years and question how?
I could understand if they were good at something. For example immigration is a big topic so were the Tories good at immigration? No they weren't and what else is the alternative? I'm willing to give Starmer time and if he ballses it all up then he will still probably have done better than Boris, Truss or Sunak ever did.
I can't wait for them to start taxing the rich companies, instead of not reversing some of the Tories more cruel legislation.
We're 2 months in, they need to be given time. Not a single party in history runs on a manifesto where every single policy gets implemented. Policies will come and go over the next 5 years however I'd bet that Starmer is more likely to do good things for people than the Tories. What is one single good thing that the Tories did under Sunak?I can't wait for them to start taxing the rich companies, instead of not reversing some of the Tories more cruel legislation.
The Tories melted down into their own division that existed pre-Brexit. They then couldn't do anything because they had no solid policies and they were dragged back by suddenly vocal analogue watches such as Jacob Reese-Mogg who believes that kids should be down the pits.
We'll see what happens with their tax plans but my belief is now that we all need to pay more. We've got used to historic low taxes and there have been consequences. Health spending hasn't actually been cut, but growth of healthcare spending has been. If we grow our population by X% then we should spend X% more on health but that isn't the case, instead a portion of that % has been used to cut taxes.
This is exactly how it is in Europe and the proof is in the pudding, we spend something like 15% less on healthcare growth than the European average. It therefore makes sense that our services are likely to get 15% shitter every year on average versus everybody else.
jimharri
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Please; let's try to refrain from the abuse of other posters
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This country is much more divided than it was even in Thatcher's time.
I remember an old PM, possibly Callaghan but maybe Thatcher saying the country was in danger of being 'ungovernable'.
I think that's a more realistic possibility now. Because people seem to have no faith whatever in politicians. Therefore, they are more likely to believe charlatans.
Moreover, I think this is being deliberately engineered by certain malign influences.
I remember an old PM, possibly Callaghan but maybe Thatcher saying the country was in danger of being 'ungovernable'.
I think that's a more realistic possibility now. Because people seem to have no faith whatever in politicians. Therefore, they are more likely to believe charlatans.
Moreover, I think this is being deliberately engineered by certain malign influences.