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west didsblue said:
What are we doing on here if not expressing opinions then?
In my opinion you’re posting shite.
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Now that made me laugh.....

What are we actually doing in the sub basement of a football forum. Are we changing the world, or UK ?

Are we making a difference to anything ?

No, we're all moaning and talking shite.

Some seem to love pretending to be a huge fish in a tiny pond though !
 
Someone at Labour knew what they were doing, and wrote that speech to be as offensive in order for the left to be against it, so they can turn around and say look we are not the party of progressives, uni students and urban liberals in order to capture Reform/Tory voters.

So I don't know why the centre are trying to say he didn't mean it, at least own up to the fact ffs.
 
west didsblue said:
If you think Starmer will ever be hailed a hero on here you haven’t been on here very long.
He could cut NHS waiting lists to zero, cut taxes, reduce the deficit and improve public services and the same people will still moan about him.
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Disagree, I for one would vote for him.... sadly, he hasn't a clue as to how best to achieve your admiral objectives.... that is why he is unlikely to be hailed a hero on here (with notable exceptions who just cannot blow enough smoke up his arse).
 
117 M34 said:
The tories weren't doing this.
Their plan was to round them up and send then to a country they've never been to before.
This plan is to send them back to where they came from.
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The significant difference in the plans (I believe) is that the Rwanda plan sent people to have their case heard in Rwanda failed cases were returned to homeland or remained in Rwanda no idea what happened to successful cases. whereas under this plan it would only be failed applicants sent to the Balkans until their homeland became safe enough for a return. Not knocking either there needs to be a deterrent.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Would Rwanda be one option? What a fucking joke, he had the ideal opportunity to test this but instead threw away millions of pounds already invested..... and started again. What a hypocrite.
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It was a failed gimmick , a desperate last minute policy that was never going to work, Rwanda deterrent was already in place but it didn’t reduce the boats at all, the projected forecast was that it was going to cost millions/billions to just fly a few handful of migrants out to Rwanda. It failed.
Why you getting upset Labour seem to genuinely trying to tackle the migrant issue ? Isn’t that what you’ve been begging for ? You was claiming they’re just ignoring the issue and now they talk proposals you get all pent up. Seems unless it’s out of Farages mouth nothing will satisfy.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It was a failed gimmick , a desperate last minute policy that was never going to work, Rwanda deterrent was already in place but it didn’t reduce the boats at all, the projected forecast was that it was going to cost millions/billions to just fly a few handful of migrants out to Rwanda. It failed.
Why you getting upset Labour seem to genuinely trying to tackle the migrant issue ? Isn’t that what you’ve been begging for ? You was claiming they’re just ignoring the issue and now they talk proposals you get all pent up. Seems unless it’s out of Farages mouth nothing will satisfy.
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More meaningless pointless drivel.... don't you ever stop?

I have never quoted Farage... (unlike you and Starmer).

If you are capable of comprehending the written word, in my post I don't knock Starmer for doing what he's doing, all I do is call him out for being a hypocrite - back to school for you I think.

The failed gimmick wasn't the brightest move but it was an attempt that would see people sent to Rwanda immediately where their cases would be processed. From what I understand Starmers solution involves processing them here then..... so no real resolution except once they've been processed we pay for them to go somewhere else... in the meantime, whilst they're being processed.... all the while the backlog grows, more cost, more hotels, more housing needed... great idea.
 
ganganvince said:
The significant difference in the plans (I believe) is that the Rwanda plan sent people to have their case heard in Rwanda failed cases were returned to homeland or remained in Rwanda no idea what happened to successful cases. whereas under this plan it would only be failed applicants sent to the Balkans until their homeland became safe enough for a return. Not knocking either there needs to be a deterrent.
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If there is a need to wait in a third country for 'their homeland to become safe enough for a return' then surely that would be pretty clear evidence that they had a legitimate asylum claim? Either their home country isn't safe to return to, in which case they're granted asylum, or it is, in which case they can be put on the first flight back there.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
If there is a need to wait in a third country for 'their homeland to become safe enough for a return' then surely that would be pretty clear evidence that they had a legitimate asylum claim? Either their home country isn't safe to return to, in which case they're granted asylum, or it is, in which case they can be put on the first flight back there.
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That was my initial thought … so surely a pointless policy? Unless I’m missing something which is quite possible!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
More meaningless pointless drivel.... don't you ever stop?

I have never quoted Farage... (unlike you and Starmer).

If you are capable of comprehending the written word, in my post I don't knock Starmer for doing what he's doing, all I do is call him out for being a hypocrite - back to school for you I think.

The failed gimmick wasn't the brightest move but it was an attempt that would see people sent to Rwanda immediately where their cases would be processed. From what I understand Starmers solution involves processing them here then..... so no real resolution except once they've been processed we pay for them to go somewhere else... in the meantime, whilst they're being processed.... all the while the backlog grows, more cost, more hotels, more housing needed... great idea.
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"From what I understand" seems to be your usual excuse for not understanding.

People weren't to be removed to Rwanda to have their British asylum case processed, but forcibly deported to claim asylum in Rwanda.
 
Vic said:
"From what I understand" seems to be your usual excuse for not understanding.

People weren't to be removed to Rwanda to have their British asylum case processed, but forcibly deported to claim asylum in Rwanda.
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That brick did some damage.
 
Vic said:
"From what I understand" seems to be your usual excuse for not understanding.

People weren't to be removed to Rwanda to have their British asylum case processed, but forcibly deported to claim asylum in Rwanda.
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Same difference, if they were claiming asylum they would be sent to Rwanda to have "their cases" processed... which is quite proper in my opinion as they had laned on our shores in the words of your beloved leader... unlawfully.

If they're claiming asylum.... does it matter where their case is dealt with provided it is a "safe" country?

Do you always have this much difficulty understanding?
 
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