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hampshireblue said:
I've told you the numbers for the Norman invasion. The others may be true. But it's interesting that the word "illegal" is used for the numbers in May but not for the high it beat. Probably because some of those "illegals" have since been granted asylum and no longer are illegal. The daily figures appear to be very specific but then the annual figure is an approximation-why?

I said the reporting is shit and inaccurate. An example being it's not illegal to get in a boat and cross the channel. It's illegal when they actually land, the Tories having removed the ability for these people to claim asylum on landing which previously made them legal.

The sooner some safe and legal routes are established the better especially if the aim really is to smash the gangs.
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Thanks for that. Appreciate it.
 
Username Required said:
Is this true, or fake news? If it is true, does it matter?

Jun 1, 2025.

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses the 1,305 migrants who made it across the Channel on September 3, 2022.

So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period, and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066. This presents a particular problem for Britain’s Labour Government, as reducing illegal migration across the Channel was a key election manifesto promise. Delivery was supposed to demonstrate an administrative efficiency which Labour officials asserted was lacking in the previous Conservative administration.

The influx on May 31 overwhelmed the UK’s maritime services. With Border Force vessels fully occupied transporting illegal migrants rescued from the Channel to safety in Dover, fishing boats were called upon by the Coastguard to rescue a number of other boats at sea that had got into difficulties. The RNLI lifeboat from Dover was also spotted by onlookers bringing people to shore.

*snip*

Illegal entry is also attractive because once arrivals set foot on dry land and claim asylum, they become eligible for food, hotel accommodation, and national health services while their asylum applications are processed, which can take many years.

maritime-executive.com

Record Single Day Number of Illegal Boat Crossings on the English Channel

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses...
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at the present rate of "illegal" migration it would take over 3,000 years for the migrants to outnumber the resident UK population .......... its a made up drama and now those who manufactured it are in opposition they want to blame other people
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
£4.7billion a year is quite a big made up drama.
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Had the previous government not slowed the asylum process down to deliberately create this issue, then that figure would be significantly less.

It’s not a made up drama, but it is a deliberately made one.

Still, their strategy has worked and immigration is now a perpetual debating point, with either side making the same points repeatedly, with increasing anger, generally.

Until the country is ready to accept that we need to recreate the Dublin agreement, no boats will stop and the never ending, pointless debate will continue.

This is true for whichever party is in power.
 
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hampshireblue said:
How many Normans invaded us? Actually 7000-8000, so that record was broken years ago!
Reducing illegal migration was a manifesto promise, but over what time scale? A week, a year, the term of the parliament? At least there's some leeway, unlike "Stop the boats".
I'm not sure what answer you really want, but clearly irregular migration wasn't an issue for the people of Hamilton and neither was the removal of £200-£300 in WFP in one of the colder areas of the UK.

Generally, it's shit, inaccurate reporting aimed at those with little ability to actually think for themselves. But I'm sure you've considered all of the above before just sticking it on here.
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Stop the boats when? a week, a year a ......
 
bluethrunthru said:
Yeah they are interviewing Brian Leishman of Scottish Labour now saying a majority of about 600 was paper thin. Funnily enough they never banged on how that sour faced race baiter in Runcorn won by 6 votes.

Farage went up there shouting his mouth off and has got his due rewards - turns out saying he wanted to cut the Barnett Formula payment and shut down the Scottish Parliament and rule from Westminster wasn't popular. The first two in the race got double the votes Reform did showing the tide is well against Reform in Scotland ....... and thats before they started to have their meltdown last night
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What ?
Farage went up there shouting his mouth off and has got his due rewards - turns out saying he wanted to cut the Barnett Formula payment and shut down the Scottish Parliament and rule from Westminster wasn't popular.
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So you prefer that the Jocks continue to receive almost £2,500k per head of additional public spending versus the rest of the country, subsidised by the taxes of the rest of the country ? Do you prefer that all other parties lack the courage to face into this issue? Credit where it is due, Farage faced into this question and addressed it, it cannot be right. Can it ?
The first two in the race got double the votes Reform did showing the tide is well against Reform in Scotland ...
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In what is considered pro-independence, pro-immigration, pro EU remainer Scotland, Reform who last time polled 58 ( Fifty eight ) votes in this constituency , got 7,088 votes this time. Only 1,471 votes behind Labour - despite Farage fronting up and telling them that he would review the Barnett formula and effectively cut their public services.
That tells you " the tide is well against Reform in Scotland" does it ?
Whatever you don't give up your day job on here to be an opinion pollster will you.
John Curtice can sleep easy in his bed tonight.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Had the previous government not slowed the asylum process down to deliberately create this issue, then that figure would be significantly less.

It’s not a made up drama, but it is a deliberately made one.

Still, their strategy has worked and immigration is now a perpetual debating point, with either side making the same points repeatedly, with increasing anger, generally.

Until the country is ready to accept that we need to recreate the Dublin agreement, no boats will stop and the never ending, pointless debate will continue.

This is true for whichever party is in power.
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There strategy has seen them out of power and with little hope on the horizon- for what benefit would them delaying processes have been ?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Had the previous government not slowed the asylum process down to deliberately create this issue, then that figure would be significantly less.

It’s not a made up drama, but it is a deliberately made one.

Still, their strategy has worked and immigration is now a perpetual debating point, with either side making the same points repeatedly, with increasing anger, generally.

Until the country is ready to accept that we need to recreate the Dublin agreement, no boats will stop and the never ending, pointless debate will continue.

This is true for whichever party is in power.
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Did I point the blame anywhere? no! As far as I can see neither party has a resolution to this issue.

I just responded to the poster who was deliberately downplaying the issue.

The fact remains the cost is way too much. The French don't want these people, which is why they are doing nothing to stop them crossing, and neither do we.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Did I point the blame anywhere? no! As far as I can see neither party has a resolution to this issue.

I just responded to the poster who was deliberately downplaying the issue.

The fact remains the cost is way too much. The French don't want these people, which is why they are doing nothing to stop them crossing, and neither do we.
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The solution is there. We’re not ready as a country to use it.

Put yourself in France’s position. If they have asylum seekers wanting to leave for another country, why would they stop them if they didn’t have to?

If they came here as a stopover on the way to Iceland, I doubt there’d be much clamour for them to be stopped at John O’Groats.

The cost is way too much. Most of which is on accommodation.

It takes time to train and replace the asylum processors that have left since 2019.

If I were Labour, I’d be training as many as possible to get the backlog of asylum cleared as soon as possible, giving those that are genuine NINOs and those that aren’t their bus fares home.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The solution is there. We’re not ready as a country to use it.

Put yourself in France’s position. If they have asylum seekers wanting to leave for another country, why would they stop them if they didn’t have to?

If they came here as a stopover on the way to Iceland, I doubt there’d be much clamour for them to be stopped at John O’Groats.

The cost is way too much. Most of which is on accommodation.

It takes time to train and replace the asylum processors that have left since 2019.

If I were Labour, I’d be training as many as possible to get the backlog of asylum cleared as soon as possible, giving those that are genuine NINOs and those that aren’t their bus fares home.
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Let's see what they do shall we. At present it just seems to be encouraging more people to come.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The solution is there. We’re not ready as a country to use it.

Put yourself in France’s position. If they have asylum seekers wanting to leave for another country, why would they stop them if they didn’t have to?

If they came here as a stopover on the way to Iceland, I doubt there’d be much clamour for them to be stopped at John O’Groats.

The cost is way too much. Most of which is on accommodation.

It takes time to train and replace the asylum processors that have left since 2019.

If I were Labour, I’d be training as many as possible to get the backlog of asylum cleared as soon as possible, giving those that are genuine NINOs and those that aren’t their bus fares home.
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"Put yourself in France’s position. If they have asylum seekers wanting to leave for another country, why would they stop them if they didn’t have to?"

NOOO . AHT , are you suggesting that these people do not benefit our economy and enrich our culture after all?
Have the scales fallen from your eyes ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
There strategy has seen them out of power and with little hope on the horizon- for what benefit would them delaying processes have been ?
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The continued dog whistle culture war social media war.

They didn’t lose because of that. They lost because they purged their own party of any MPs that didn’t want to go down the culture war route, meaning they lost anyone with any semblance of intelligence.

They’ll lose the next election too, but need to use that election to reintroduce actual politicians who are capable of reasoned debate and critical thinking.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Let's see what they do shall we. At present it just seems to be encouraging more people to come.
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That’s all we can do until one of our parties decides to negotiate with the EU.

That’ll include trade offs though, which opponents of whoever is in power at the time, will say that they’ve betrayed Brexit etc.

I’d have hoped that the size of Labour’s majority would have encouraged that approach, but it seems they aren’t ready to contemplate that yet, sadly.

The figures of 50k a year coming over are minuscule in the grand scheme of things. It’s an overblown debating point that has caught fire on social media, so those in opposition are bound to use it as a continued attack line.
 
Hertzblue said:
"Put yourself in France’s position. If they have asylum seekers wanting to leave for another country, why would they stop them if they didn’t have to?"

NOOO . AHT , are you suggesting that these people do not benefit our economy and enrich our culture after all?
Have the scales fallen from your eyes ?
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Huh? People move because they’re being oppressed/destitute/war torn etc.

Most don’t come here, but the few that do are vilified for it for some reason.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not commit crime, just like the vast majority of native U.K. citizens don’t commit crime.

They probably enrich society as much as you enrich U.K. culture. Ie. In a minuscule way.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Huh? People move because they’re being oppressed/destitute/war torn etc.

Most don’t come here, but the few that do are vilified for it for some reason.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not commit crime, just like the vast majority of native U.K. citizens don’t commit crime.

They probably enrich society as much as you enrich U.K. culture. Ie. In a minuscule way.
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You missed out the words economic migrants. Im pretty sure most just want a better life and just claim assylum as its an easy way into a better country and better life.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s all we can do until one of our parties decides to negotiate with the EU.

That’ll include trade offs though, which opponents of whoever is in power at the time, will say that they’ve betrayed Brexit etc.

I’d have hoped that the size of Labour’s majority would have encouraged that approach, but it seems they aren’t ready to contemplate that yet, sadly.

The figures of 50k a year coming over are minuscule in the grand scheme of things. It’s an overblown debating point that has caught fire on social media, so those in opposition are bound to use it as a continued attack line.
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The 50k a year may be relatively small, but the £4.7 billion annual cost isn't.
 
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