The Labour Government

[inbetween]

And, yes, I know your 1.2m ignored emigration, but dismissing emigrants as non-users of social housing, and assuming immigrants are, is just a guess. Given that the 764k was mostly made up of students, and people coming in as workers (many of whom would be covered by the minimum earning levels, or who would be exactly the same kind of mobile higher income workers that you've assumed most emigration involves), there's no reason to presume that they would take up more social housing than those leaving.

This isn't true, the vast majority of immigrants come here on family visas, presumably as a result of somebody who came here first and then brings their family. Study is a reason but how does that explain the graph below? Have we really increased student numbers by a factor of hundreds of thousands per year over 30 years?

If it was also true that most were students then how has the foreign born population trebled from 5% to 15% over the exact same period?

I'm not asking to eliminate migration, we just need to be honest about the numbers and they're arguably too high. We could say that migration is a key factor to growth but migration has almost never been higher and GDP growth right now is growing at 0.1%. So how is it currently serving us other than by increasing pressures for the people already here?

 

[bluethrunthru]

You're love of starmer is wierd where no criticism can be made in your eyes.

he was negative about trump, he should at least have the balls to leep to his conviction when it comes to the orange ****

insinuating my opinion is student politics pretty sad really, show a clear lack of debating skills.

I can say why I think starmer and lammy are what I said, their responses could have been diplomatic while also criticising the man and a sending a strong message we will not be party to amy of his bollocks, instead they backtracked and gave a weak response.


But carry on all who think polittics is about blindly followingno matrer what and not challenging when necessary.


Raynor is also a disapointment with her bollocks about tge vice president too.

Yes its Starmer and Lammy so this never happened - have you seen Johnsons fawning views over Trump nowadays?

 

[bluenova]

This isn't true, the vast majority of immigrants come here on family visas, presumably as a result of somebody who came here first and then brings their family. Study is a reason but how does that explain the graph below? Have we really increased student numbers by a factor of hundreds of thousands per year over 30 years?

If it was also true that most were students then how has the foreign born population trebled from 5% to 15% over the exact same period?

I'm not asking to eliminate migration, we just need to be honest about the numbers and they're arguably too high. We could say that migration is a key factor to growth but migration has almost never been higher and GDP growth right now is growing at 0.1%. So how is it currently serving us other than by increasing pressures for the people already here?

Are you sure it's mostly dependent family?

 

[bluenova]

You can talk about people living longer and being separated and some living in smaller social groups. But that's just semantics.

The main driver for a shortage of housing is that the population has expanded significantly compared to the number of houses we have built and our ability to actually build them.

Not sure why you say it's semantics? I was replying to someone who said the main driver was immigration.

I've given you a link to a government document, produced when the Tories were in power, which says that an ageing population and people wanting to live in smaller groups are the main drivers.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not sure why you say it's semantics? I was replying to someone who said the main driver was immigration.

I've given you a link to a government document, produced when the Tories were in power, which says that an ageing population and people wanting to live in smaller groups are the main drivers.

Population growth combined with a drop in annual new housing completions is the main driver. Without question, just look at the figures for both. And you can see the issue.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yes its Starmer and Lammy so this never happened - have you seen Johnsons fawning views over Trump nowadays?

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument!

 

[bluealf]

You weren't thinking laterally. Council houses sold at a discount are more likely to end up in the hands of private landlords when the person(s) who purchased those properties decides they want to cash in on it or decides they want to move to the Costa Del Sol and become an absentee landlord or they die and their relatives who inheirited it have similar ideas.

Landlords can overpay for properties more easily than owner occupiers and have more liquidity to renovate and charge higher rates.

Some properties may be in less desirable areas where "luxury" internal spec or short term lets/holiday rentals aren't as viable but they can still command high rents from tenants on housing benefit e.g. in less fashionable areas of London.

Anger as figures show how many Right To Buy homes are now privately let - Landlord Today

Over 40% of council houses and flats sold under the long-standing Right To Buy scheme are now owned by private landlords.

www.landlordtoday.co.uk

Again absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my initial post, not sure what you're struggling with tbh.

Labour MP's decide to end or limit the RTB scheme despite the same people purchasing their own council home with this scheme in the past.

Angela Rayner council house row: What was Labour's deputy leader accused of?

Police say they will be taking no further action against Labour's deputy leader. But what exactly was Ms Rayner accused of, and where did the accusations come from?

news.sky.com

Not even bothered she sold it, just the fact that she thinks it was fine for herself but not for others.

Maybe these are the hypocrites you need to look at.

 

[hilts]

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument!

It's Blueuntrue he defends a Bloke assaulting someone.

If the bloke doing the assaulting is on his 'side' that is.

 

[bluenova]

Population growth combined with a drop in annual new housing completions is the main driver. Without question, just look at the figures for both. And you can see the issue.

I was addressing a point which talked about immigration as the driver. Population growth is much broader, and the ageing population I spoke of is part of the population growth you're talking about.

In fact, up until Covid, you had forty years where, in terms of population, the "natural" increase (ageing population plus births), was actually pretty similar to the rate of net migration.

If you then consider that it's the white British population that is mostly driving the rise in single person households, (partly younger people, but also because older Asian people are more likely to live with their family), then it's clearly more complicated than foreigners being the main issue.

When you add in that in wealthier countries, an ageing population is also a driver for more immigration, then it's even more complex.

 

[M18CTID]

Whether we like it or not - and I'm someone who despises Trump - it's in the UK's interests to work with him and not burn any bridges. People can dig up as many comments as they want from David Lammy to Boris Johnson and everyone else in between but that's the reality of the situation. Fuck me, even JD Vance once said he feared Trump might be America's Hitler and now he's his right-hand man!