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bluenova said:
I agree with the drop in new builds, and in particular the right kind of new builds. There are other supply side issues that I mentioned, like second homes, airbnbs, investment properties etc. to add to that.

I also agree that population increase is one of the main issues - although as I've pointed out many times now, population increases over the last 40 years have been as much about demographic changes as net migration.

And if household sizes are coming down, then that's a huge factor too. If the population had stayed the same size since 1970, we'd still have needed around 25% more houses, just to meet that change in how people want to live.
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What do you think the net UK migration population increase has been over the past 30 years?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
What do you think the net UK migration population increase has been over the past 30 years?
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Why the obsession to make it just about one issue?

You're replying to a post that talks about a variety of supply side issues, explains that demographic demand has been about ageing/births as much as migration, and about how smaller household sizes have had a huge impact.

As I've said multiple times, reducing net migration doesn't solve the housing issues, and with an ageing population it creates other problems in the economy.
 
bluenova said:
Why the obsession to make it just about one issue?

You're replying to a post that talks about a variety of supply side issues, explains that demographic demand has been about ageing/births as much as migration, and about how smaller household sizes have had a huge impact.

As I've said multiple times, reducing net migration doesn't solve the housing issues, and with an ageing population it creates other problems in the economy.
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I am afraid for some the issue has been weaponised and made into a binary issue - stop immigration = all issues in the UK ( though most would just say England for ..... reasons ...) and they refuse to listen to any explanation of the consequences that would result from it.

Its the same in the States - Trump has said up to 30m mass deportations of undocumented migrants - there aren't 30m so clearly others are in the firing line. He says the Army will be involved which is against the constitution I understand but people believe him.

Both countries in every way imaginable would be devastated by such a move but simple people buy simple 3 word slogans and don't want to check before endorsing it
 
bluenova said:
Why the obsession to make it just about one issue?

You're replying to a post that talks about a variety of supply side issues, explains that demographic demand has been about ageing/births as much as migration, and about how smaller household sizes have had a huge impact.

As I've said multiple times, reducing net migration doesn't solve the housing issues, and with an ageing population it creates other problems in the economy.
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No obsession, my position all the way through this discussion is that immigration combined with a reduction of new build housing completions are the main reasons for the exhorbitant increases in both house sale and rental costs.

You have thrown every other possible reason you can think of to try and dispel that fact, I fully accept that there are other factors , but they are not the main drivers.

I am guessing you may have this stance because you, along with several others on this forum, don't want to accept that there could be downside as well as upsides to mass immigration?

Anyway I asked you a simple question and you have have decided to not answer it. I suspect you don't want actually want to know the answer ?
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am afraid for some the issue has been weaponised and made into a binary issue - stop immigration = all issues in the UK ( though most would just say England for ..... reasons ...) and they refuse to listen to any explanation of the consequences that would result from it.

Its the same in the States - Trump has said up to 30m mass deportations of undocumented migrants - there aren't 30m so clearly others are in the firing line. He says the Army will be involved which is against the constitution I understand but people believe him.

Both countries in every way imaginable would be devastated by such a move but simple people buy simple 3 word slogans and don't want to check before endorsing it
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I think its best you stick to defending people who violently attack people because they support the same political party as you, as that would appear to be your level of intellect.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
No obsession, my position all the way through this discussion is that immigration combined with a reduction of new build housing completions are the main reasons for the exhorbitant increases in both house sale and rental costs.

You have thrown every other possible reason you can think of to try and dispel that fact, I fully accept that there are other factors , but they are not the main drivers.

I am guessing you may have this stance because you, along with several others on this forum, don't want to accept that there could be downside as well as upsides to mass immigration?

Anyway I asked you a simple question and you have have decided to not answer it. I suspect you don't want actually want to know the answer ?
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Then you're wrong.

Net migration is significant, but it doesn't add up to deomgraphic changes, plus societal changes, plus the reduction in building the right kind of properties and making sure those properties become homes.

I've never said migration doesn't have downsides, and I've never suggested it isn't a large part of the reason for housing issues. Every answer I've given acknowledges net migration as a driver, but just not the "main driver", because there are so many issues that add up to something much bigger.

Why not look up the following and tell me...

How many more houses do we have now compared with 1980?

What's net migration since 1980?

How much has the population increased since 1980?

How much smaller has the average household got since 1980?

You apparently know the answer to one of those questions, but don't seem bothered about the others. Now when you've looked those up, why not tell me if net migration is more of an issue than the rest?
 
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