The Labour Government

[Brightwell’s left peg]

I like cut of this man’s Jib. Straight shooter. He should consider a career in politics!!

;-)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Has Bluemoon set up a counselling hot line for posters that are distraught that someone won a democratic election yet? if not maybe you can use the Guardians

Pot meet kettle.

 

[west didsblue]

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument!

Who says Lammy and Johnson were wrong?
They might have been unwise saying those things in the light of what happened last week but they were certainly not wrong with the content of their comments.

Never thought I’d ever say Johnson got something right but there you go.

 

[Dereck Jeffries 3 wd]

Version Two.

1. "Do you want a fully-staffed NHS?"
(If "No", end conversation. If "Yes" ask question 2.)

2. "Do you want more immigration?"
(Stand well back.)

Immigration thought this was banned on this forum?

 

[inbetween]

If you mean he wants to stop people crossing the channel, it's one of the priorities. He's gone very quiet on providing "safe and legal routes" (which has been a bit of a mantra for Labour MPs) so that's probably going to be an internal battle. Even Yvette Cooper is reduced to talking about "controlled and managed but safe routes for children who have family in the UK" rather than a more general (or generous) way to apply for asylum here.

That's probably because the electorate doesn't want safe and legal routes and it would destroy them in terms of opening the door to the Tories or Reform. No such safe route exists anywhere in the world. How many safe routes has Europe implemented to stop further people drowning in the Med? None.

Nobody has done this because asylum cannot be claimed from a foreign country and so countries have no obligation to facilitate that migration. Our position is that those migrants do not exist until they exist once they arrive and I don't see why we should change that. I'd understand if somebody was fleeing war but they're not, they're in France.

146,000 people have made the crossing so far since 2018 and that's 146,000 who decided an extremely dangerous journey was a risk worth taking. So how many will come once there is a 'legal' route?

We spend billions per year feeding and housing those that come now so how could we possibly resource for an additional X number of people? And for what reason, because migrants fancy the UK and not France or Europe?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Who says Lammy and Johnson were wrong?
They might have been unwise saying those things in the light of what happened last week but they were certainly not wrong with the content of their comments.

Never thought I’d ever say Johnson got something right but there you go.

Right in what they said clearly wrong to say it in the position they were in or might be in future. Naive in the extreme.

 

[ganganvince]

That's probably because the electorate doesn't want safe and legal routes and it would destroy them in terms of opening the door to the Tories or Reform. No such safe route exists anywhere in the world. How many safe routes has Europe implemented to stop further people drowning in the Med? None.

Nobody has done this because asylum cannot be claimed from a foreign country and so countries have no obligation to facilitate that migration. Our position is that those migrants do not exist until they exist once they arrive and I don't see why we should change that. I'd understand if somebody was fleeing war but they're not, they're in France.

146,000 people have made the crossing so far since 2018 and that's 146,000 who decided an extremely dangerous journey was a risk worth taking. So how many will come once there is a 'legal' route?

We spend billions per year feeding and housing those that come now so how could we possibly resource for an additional X number of people? And for what reason, because migrants fancy the UK and not France or Europe?

Big advantage I can see is that we only allow in those who qualify to settle it would have to be accompanied with an agreement with France to automatically return any using the boat route.

 

[Dereck Jeffries 3 wd]

Best of luck in getting an agreement with France. They only get a Tent if they are lucky in France.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Who says Lammy and Johnson were wrong?
They might have been unwise saying those things in the light of what happened last week but they were certainly not wrong with the content of their comments.

Never thought I’d ever say Johnson got something right but there you go.

What is most interesting is that all those on here decrying Lammy and conveniently overlooking Johnsons "misspeaking" about Trump plus all those reporters, commentators, news outlets and opposition politicians are "free speech" warriors - who want the right to say whatever they want to about any subject they want to with no repercussions but if anyone said something they see as hurty against someone they like and admire its "pearls to clutch mode" on the dashboard and major whining. I think we know why.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Pot meet kettle.

Of all the people to post that... quite astounding.