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[hilts]

over 44k people signed this petition demanding an end to migration

Archived Petition: Close the borders! Suspend ALL immigration for 5 years.

We believe our country is facing serious challenges both from legal and illegal migration, and think the only way to deal with this is to suspend all immigration temporarily for 5 years.

petition.parliament.uk

All bluemoon posters:-)

44k you say

Huge

Desperado

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It's a little back of the envelope because it's so many factors, but...

On the demand side, over the last 40 years, net migration has been approx half of population growth. Natural changes (longer lives/births) have been the other half.

The reduction in average household size, is the other big factor on the demand side. It's dropped from around 2.7 in the late 70s to 2.2 in 22/23, which would be equivalent to an 12 million increase in the UK population. It's actually increased due to the natural changes, and net migration, by around the same figure million, so it's a bigger factor than either of those two.

That brings us down to maybe a 20-30% of the demand side being down to migration.

If you look at the changes in house building, and in particular, social housing, which tailed off from the late 70s. Then there are plenty of other supply side issues, such as the rise in second homes, investment properties, holiday homes etc., then overall that reduces it further.

As I said, it's probably a research project to get it anywhere like bang on, but that at least gives you an idea.

Thanks for posting, I will try and look at those numbers in a bit more detail. Cheers

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is what happens when you have sensible diplomatic leaders they get INVITED - the last lot were so petty and isolationist we as a nation were just stuck at the back of the worlds cupboard - I doubt Johnson could buy an invitation to the opening of a KITKAT at the end of his tenure

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

I keep reading that france is a safe country , not in the migrant camps , sky and itv did reports on it , people were getting beaten by the police , had food taken and their few possessions taken or smashed .the camps are riddled with disease . Why would they not want to get here ?

So lets do away with the idea france is safe , if you speak english and have family ties here or a sponser then they should be here, processed quickly and allowed to work

My mind is absolutely boggling at this post, have you ever spent more than a few days in France?

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

This is what happens when you have sensible diplomatic leaders they get INVITED - the last lot were so petty and isolationist we as a nation were just stuck at the back of the worlds cupboard - I doubt Johnson could buy an invitation to the opening of a KITKAT at the end of his tenure

Starmer is yet to visit a war torn Ukraine yet here he is in France to honour the fallen of the First World War. What about the war in Ukraine. .?
At least Johnson to his credit supported Ukraine by visiting Kyiv several times, I think more is required by Starmer and the Labour leadership

 

[metalblue]

I see NatWest have brought £1bn of its shares back from the government. Reeves plans to sell the rest off their stake off next year and the year after (worth a bit under £4bn currently). Perhaps they can spend it on keeping pensioners warm.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I see NatWest have brought £1bn of its shares back from the government. Reeves plans to sell the rest off their stake off next year and the year after (worth a bit under £4bn currently). Perhaps they can spend it on keeping pensioners warm.

You're getting fixated about this subject.

FYI the Winter Fuel allowance was only introduced in 1997 (by a Labour Government) so its not been provided for that long a time (unlike sick pay, state pensions etc)

During the last 15 years most of the State Benefits (introduced by Labour and or Liberals ) have either been slashed or become means tested by the Conservatives .... There wasn't this sort of outcry when the two child cap was put on Child Tax Credits (2017) or Universal Credit (2018) despite the fact that if anyone needed looking after and feeding properly it was a child. (as a result we are now introducing ''breakfast clubs'' in schools).

All that Labour have done is to move the benefit to means tested... probably one of the few ''in year'' savings that they could make bearing in mind that everything else has been stripped to the bone by the Tories.

I would imagine that there was a lot of soul searching before this was announced ... wether it is the right decision remains to be seen .... but its implementation is indicative of the state of the country's finances (again) after a long period of Tory Rule.

Once again .. its strange how people who probably laughed when unemployment benefits (and other benefits ) became means tested are now getting all upset because a 'freebie' that they receive has become ....means tested.

 

[hilts]

My mind is absolutely boggling at this post, have you ever spent more than a few days in France?

I believe Simon Cowell did an X Factor from there so it's pretty much the same as be full blown French.

 

[hampshireblue]

My mind is absolutely boggling at this post, have you ever spent more than a few days in France?

She specifically refers to the camps-not France as a whole. Why can't you read the post properly?

 

[hilts]

You're getting fixated about this subject.

FYI the Winter Fuel allowance was only introduced in 1997 (by a Labour Government) so its not been provided for that long a time (unlike sick pay, state pensions etc)

During the last 15 years most of the State Benefits (introduced by Labour and or Liberals ) have either been slashed or become means tested by the Conservatives .... There wasn't this sort of outcry when the two child cap was put on Child Tax Credits (2017) or Universal Credit (2018) despite the fact that if anyone needed looking after and feeding properly it was a child. (as a result we are now introducing ''breakfast clubs'' in schools).

All that Labour have done is to move the benefit to means tested... probably one of the few ''in year'' savings that they could make bearing in mind that everything else has been stripped to the bone by the Tories.

I would imagine that there was a lot of soul searching before this was announced ... wether it is the right decision remains to be seen .... but its implementation is indicative of the state of the country's finances (again) after a long period of Tory Rule.

Once again .. its strange how people who probably laughed when unemployment benefits (and other benefits ) became means tested are now getting all upset because a 'freebie' that they receive has become ....means tested.

Can making old folk cold ever be the right decision? Soul searching,? Pmsl that is desperate.