Maybe, but when you have recruitment issues and the RN clearly does due to the specific type of long deployments undertaken, you have to make exceptions and think outside the box to fulfill the roles. You can't just keep selling off ships or scrapping them as you don't have the crew.Good post.
But Wouldn't it push up salaries in the Army and air force and other frontline public services?
And create more demand in the defence industry.
According to Google the below is Royal Navy Pay
Ratings
Starting salary of £16,235 during basic training, rising to £20,000 after 26 weeks. Salaries increase with rank, reaching:
Able Rating – £20,000
Leading Rating – £32,796
Petty Officer – £37,061
Warrant Officer – £50,838
Apprentices
Average yearly pay of approximately £23,913.
Officers
Starting salary of £27,272 a year when joining Britannia Royal Navy College, rising to £32,780 a year after training and experience
Warfare Officer (Submariner)
Starting salary of over £25,200, with a potential salary of over £62,073.
Anyone else on here think the above starting salaries are especially woeful and maybe just maybe part of the reason why people aren't joining the navy? Perhaps if they offered more than the National Living wage they might get some recruits.
Aldi are paying 19k to 23k a year for new starters and I would suggest its hardly a comparable job responsibility or commitment wise ?
Only at sea mate on shore they don’t.Aldi do'n't provide all meals and accommodation tho .... still agreed Its shit pay .
Certain naval personnel are being offered tens of thousands tax free not to leave. As you and I have discussed previously, money is not the driver for recruitment/ retentionI think the MOD needs to move into the 21st century and realise that they need to make having a naval career not only and time exciting but financially rewarding. They have offered existing recruits a £500 bonus if they can attract new personnel, but this is clearly peanuts.
Having spoken to one or two on here who have served , they have said that recruitment is so bad that it results in longer ship deployments, which result in less recruitment and people leaving ie catch 22.
I worked offshore in the oil industry early in my career. The reason most work away from home in the offshore industry is the pay is alot better than working onshore doing a 5 day week. If the government gave every RN ship crew a 50% pay rise to reflect the commitment and deployment time, I wouldnt mind betting the recruitment issues would dissapear.
You have to move with the times, and the costs involved would be small fry compared to the waste and cost in government in other areas.
Morning, maybe it is for some people?Certain naval personnel are being offered tens of thousands tax free not to leave. As you and I have discussed previously, money is not the driver for recruitment/ retention
Labour minister on SkyNews now defending the WFA cut by telling us they are introducing a £1Billion support package for those in fuel poverty and that we can install a heat pump for just £7500 thanks to them.
Worried about putting the heating on for a few hours so I’d wager a heat pump for £7500 is the last thing on anyone’s mind, especially when it’s practically useless without major work on the property insulation wise.
Gaslighting fuckers!
Money will always be a carrot for some and currently naval servicemen are well remunerated, but even throwing tax free bungs hasn't solved the issue, therefore you need to think conditions are maybe unpallatable.Morning, maybe it is for some people?
I know it's not the same type of work but money is a big influence for people in other sectors.
What is the alternative? As a nation we give up and just let the RN run down to half a dozen capital ships.
The cost of developing the F35 was around 40Bn, our entire defence budget was only 52Bn last year. Once you have a platform sustainment becomes a major factor and this is where economies of scale become important as it significantly reduces the costs.35 F35s each carrier and we’ve only have 35 delivered so far I believe out of a total of 170 odd. Mostly operated by the RAF with around 15 allocated to the carriers.
I never understood why we didn’t develop a VTOL replacement for the harrier and brought from the yanks. Our planes (be sole UK or joint development with partners) have always been superior to US offerings and that’s not intended to offend the US equipment as it is excellent.