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Alan Harper's Tash said:
Inevitable after limiting overseas students visas. They paid far more per head to subsidise U.K. students, I’m surprised the increase isn’t much more.
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The alternative is that the Universities cut their cloth accordingly is it not?

I recall receiving a letter from the Coal Authority (CA) during the 2008 recession, the letter stated that unfortunately to maintain standards of service the CA had to significantly raise their charges for services, as the recession had resulted in less enquiries and revenue.

I remember thinking that clearly we weren't all in the same boat. We were working a full week but paying ourselves 80% of our salary at the time to try and make ends meet, even then we only stayed afloat as we had kept aside some money for a rainy day, that day lasted 8mths!
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The alternative is that the Universities cut their cloth accordingly is it not?

I recall receiving a letter from the Coal Authority (CA) during the 2008 recession, the letter stated that unfortunately to maintain standards of service the CA had to significantly raise their charges for services, as the recession had resulted in less enquiries and revenue.

I remember thinking that clearly we weren't all in the same boat. We were working a full week but paying ourselves 80% of our salary at the time to try and make ends meet, even then we only stayed afloat as we had kept aside some money for a rainy day, that day lasted 8mths!
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Yes, that is the alternative, meaning less places for students and higher unemployment as a result.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Yes, that is the alternative, meaning less places for students and higher unemployment as a result.
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and longer term a poorly educated population which will only get low skilled low paid work and won't attract investment from outside as businesses looking for highly educated highly skilled workers when they look for a location for their business investment
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Yes, that is the alternative, meaning less places for students and higher unemployment as a result.
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Perhaps they could just fill some of the vacancies that exist in the job market. This obsession with everyone going to Uni isn't great for our country. I beleive that last year, we had five times more philosophers graduating that geologists. That's something for them to at least think about even if they aren't that employable.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Perhaps they could just fill some of the vacancies that exist in the job market. This obsession with everyone going to Uni isn't great for our country. I beleive that last year, we had five times more philosophers graduating that geologists. That's something for them to at least think about even if they aren't that employable.
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Companies won’t pay to upskill these people though.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I think we need to completely reassess how people do higher education.
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Whilst it’s not perfect, I’d be hugely against destroying the arts at uni. There needs to be a variety of options.

The demise of music for me has been hugely saddening. It promotes teamwork, listening to others, balance etc. Highly transferable skills to any role really.

Not everything needs to be solely money based.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Ones that have scope to grow, I guess.

There are 750k students that go to uni each year, give or take.

Say 50k couldn’t anymore, where would they be able to go?
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I'm not sure if we are on the same wavelength here, but the health/social care sector and the hospitality sector are crying out for new recruits.

There's lots of jobs out there to be honest, it's just that some people don't want to do them.
 
mackenzie said:
I'm not sure if we are on the same wavelength here, but the health/social care sector and the hospitality sector are crying out for new recruits.

There's lots of jobs out there to be honest, it's just that some people don't want to do them.
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I doubt potential philosophy students are likely to change their life path to wiping bottoms for their whole lives, or fruit pick for decades etc.

Would the vast majority of school leavers be mature enough for them to be left with the elderly infirm?

Youngsters need a pathway to upskill. Whether that’s at uni or in job apprenticeships, doesn’t really matter.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Whilst it’s not perfect, I’d be hugely against destroying the arts at uni. There needs to be a variety of options.

The demise of music for me has been hugely saddening. It promotes teamwork, listening to others, balance etc. Highly transferable skills to any role really.

Not everything needs to be solely money based.
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100% agree with you. At present people on arts and humanities courses are heavily subsidising science courses. The way students and their parents are assessed needs completely reviewing. People's ability to pay and help their children is not correctly assessed.
 
mackenzie said:
I'm not sure if we are on the same wavelength here, but the health/social care sector and the hospitality sector are crying out for new recruits.

There's lots of jobs out there to be honest, it's just that some people don't want to do them.
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So are engineering and construction.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So are engineering and construction.
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Yes.
I just think youngsters need to realize that there are many more options than Higher Education.
As you said earlier, apprenticeships seem to be underrated. As does the premise of entering the workforce at any level, building transferrable skills and then utilizing what you have gained into a better job/career.
Being in the workforce also leads to contacts and networking, which is also extremely useful.

I see too many youngsters who have been allowed unrealistic expectations and then been saddled with student debt because nobody told them the options
 
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