The Labour Government

[The perfect fumble]

The Blair years certainly made things better for a lot of society....

They did.

But so little of it has survived. Bit like his mate Sir Alex, good while it lasted, but he bears a heavy responsibility for what followed.

But you're right, for a while a better Britain seemed possible.

 

[Kompany Car]

If it's all so positive why are we struggling so much in so many areas ? Regardless of the government in charge?

Never said it was positive, its only positive if you get migrants with the skills the country needs which I think is what the studies show. The idea that we welcome everyone with open arms because a number of them might be a doctor or scientist is misguided.

In any normal market, all of the roles we cant fill in things like the care sector should drive up salaries until they become attractive to people, but instead we have gone down the route of suppressing wage growth in lower skilled roles in favour of importing cheap labour. That cheap labour, particularly from the poorer parts of the developing world brings their dependants who then need supporting and are entitled to benefits along with the cost of housing, schooling etc. as the main wage earner is employed.

You then have someone who from UK PLC point of view financially providing a net negative contribution, whilst also having to pay to support the UK resident who decides that the job doesn't pay enough to warrant coming off benefits and into work. All of which causes more pressure on housing, health care, education etc.

 

[threespires]

It does sound like a tall story. I can’t imagine anyone going around asking the staff what country they came from, would come across as a racist nutter.

The only thing I would say for the defence here is that my wife had a completey dotty Aunt who was famous for finding out everything about everyone she came in contact with no matter how briefly. She had no filter but was an entirely unthreatening little old lady with a black country accent. Within the space of a 100m wheelchair push she could be advising the porter on their marital issues! It was both entertaining and midnumbingly embarrassing and it was a mystery to me that she never got booted out of places.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I don’t need to look it up, I know. English and French. Hopefully you can see how your hypothesis to help your mate out of a hole hasn’t worked. Same as Vic perhaps he meant 12k Asians work in the trust.

He has started to make up stories to try and bring is points to life. Not just this thread but others as well. Weird.

French is not widely spoken in Rwanda.

6% of the population.

Kinyarwanda is the main language.

 

[bluenova]

It does sound like a tall story. I can’t imagine anyone going around asking the staff what country they came from, would come across as a racist nutter.

I'd never assume 100%, but it may depend on how often you meet people of different nationalities. Plenty of countries still have fairly homogenous populations, and in many cases it's not too difficult to pick up on where people were born if they've lived there for most of their lives. I lived and worked in Hackney for years, alongside multiple nationalities, and with a similarly diverse client base, and you just pick up on accents, appearance, and cultural cues quite easily.

Given that the NHS in the UK recruits heavily from a small pool of countries, it's probably about as complicated as you being able to tell apart a Brummie and a Scouser.

 

[ganganvince]

The Blair years certainly made things better for a lot of society....

Can't argue with that. Less said about the Brown years the better though.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Can't argue with that. Less aid about the Brown years the better though.

Brown had the 2008 crash to contend with, we'd be in a better place today had we stuck with Brown and Darling rather than Cameron and Osborne.

 

[M23 Citizen]

Just read the last dozen pages or so of this thread. There’s some absolute fucking nonsense being posted in it over the last few days.

 

[ganganvince]

Brown had the 2008 crash to contend with, we'd be in a better place today had we stuck with Brown and Darling rather than Cameron and Osborne.

Disagree on that but opinion is what a forum is for.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

Brown had the 2008 crash to contend with, we'd be in a better place today had we stuck with Brown and Darling rather than Cameron and Osborne.

He also sold a lot of our gold reserves at bottom price, and they went skywards afterwards.