The Labour Government

Don't think he will be leader by next election which is a shame at the moment there is a lot I don't agree with but he is best of a real shit bunch across the main parties.
 
TinFoilHat said:
And that's why he may lose the next election.

Because our media fawn over 'personalities' like Führage over politicians that do their job properly.

Brown was a good politician but he didn't come across well as a personality.
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Brown - the master of being unable to see the disastrous consequences of his well meaning intentions.
 
ganganvince said:
Don't think he will be leader by next election which is a shame at the moment there is a lot I don't agree with but he is best of a real shit bunch across the main parties.
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WFA and child benefit cap are unfortunate but this will be the cross the electorate will crucify him on...

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The sooner he accepts that his legalistic approach is a non starter the better. " Smash the gangs" its pathetic.If he cannot see that and change course he will deserve his fate. Even Big Ange is urging a benefit clampdown on migrants.
I would rate him 60/40 against being in position at the next election .
 
Hertzblue said:
WFA and child benefit cap are unfortunate but this will be the cross the electorate will crucify him on...

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The sooner he accepts that his legalistic approach is a non starter the better. " Smash the gangs" its pathetic.If he cannot see that and change course he will deserve his fate. Even Big Ange is urging a benefit clampdown on migrants.
I would rate him 60/40 against being in position at the next election .
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The legislation hasn't even passed through Parliament yet ....
 
Hertzblue said:
WFA and child benefit cap are unfortunate but this will be the cross the electorate will crucify him on...

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The sooner he accepts that his legalistic approach is a non starter the better. " Smash the gangs" its pathetic.If he cannot see that and change course he will deserve his fate. Even Big Ange is urging a benefit clampdown on migrants.
I would rate him 60/40 against being in position at the next election .
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You could have posted the photoshopped Front page pic as well..
 
TinFoilHat said:
And that's why he may lose the next election.

Because our media fawn over 'personalities' like Führage over politicians that do their job properly.

Brown was a good politician but he didn't come across well as a personality.
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How was Brown a good politician? Seemed an abject failiure in most areas to me. Dreadful Chancellor, unelected PM.
 
Hertzblue said:
WFA and child benefit cap are unfortunate but this will be the cross the electorate will crucify him on...

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The sooner he accepts that his legalistic approach is a non starter the better. " Smash the gangs" its pathetic.If he cannot see that and change course he will deserve his fate. Even Big Ange is urging a benefit clampdown on migrants.
I would rate him 60/40 against being in position at the next election .
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There is no limit to the number of children Child Benefit can be claimed for.

You are getting confused with a different benefit, and with rents these days the benefit cap of £22,022 means increases in UC CE would mean nothing to a lot of households.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Bailed out the banks ...... you lot should be thankful
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Yes, thank goodness we had Brown there to bail out the banks and single-handedly save the global financial system.

I suppose it was just unfortunate that he had presided over one of the largest regulatory failures in modern economic history in the lead up to the crisis, and indeed encouraged it given his light touch approach and flawed tripartite architecture.

I mean, when the UK banking sector ran up a £700bn customer funding gap ahead of the crisis, who knew that could be a problem? And who could have predicted trouble when RBS was having to roll over tens of billions of pounds of overnight lending every day, even before we got to 2007?

Certainly not our Gordon, and I’m sure the fact that Fred Goodwin was at Chequers every other weekend had nothing to do with it!
 
Brewster's millions said:
Yes, thank goodness we had Brown there to bail out the banks and single-handedly save the global financial system.

I suppose it was just unfortunate that he had presided over one of the largest regulatory failures in modern economic history in the lead up to the crisis, and indeed encouraged it given his light touch approach and flawed tripartite architecture.

I mean, when the UK banking sector ran up a £700bn customer funding gap ahead of the crisis, who knew that could be a problem? And who could have predicted trouble when RBS was having to roll over tens of billions of pounds of overnight lending every day, even before we got to 2007?

Certainly not our Gordon, and I’m sure the fact that Fred Goodwin was at Chequers every other weekend had nothing to do with it!
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Wow - I never knew Brown was at the Fed in 2008, encouraging sub-prime loans in the US and caused the collapse of Lehman Bros. Where did you learn that information about the cause of the 2008 crash - insightful.
 
It should also be mentioned that the Conservative Party of the time wanted less regulation of the banks, not more.

No one on the right of politics should want the state interfering in the operation of private banks as that is a socialist concept. Albeit a sensible one, especially if you think the state has a role in managing the economy.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Yes, thank goodness we had Brown there to bail out the banks and single-handedly save the global financial system.

I suppose it was just unfortunate that he had presided over one of the largest regulatory failures in modern economic history in the lead up to the crisis, and indeed encouraged it given his light touch approach and flawed tripartite architecture.

I mean, when the UK banking sector ran up a £700bn customer funding gap ahead of the crisis, who knew that could be a problem? And who could have predicted trouble when RBS was having to roll over tens of billions of pounds of overnight lending every day, even before we got to 2007?

Certainly not our Gordon, and I’m sure the fact that Fred Goodwin was at Chequers every other weekend had nothing to do with it!
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You're completely wasting your time trying to debate anything with this guy.
 
BrianW said:
It should also be mentioned that the Conservative Party of the time wanted less regulation of the banks, not more.

No one on the right of politics should want the state interfering in the operation of private banks as that is a socialist concept. Albeit a sensible one, especially if you think the state has a role in managing the economy.
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They may have done, but it was Brown as Chancellor that deregulated them. He also sold off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market costing us tens of billions. The guy was a complete disaster.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They may have done, but it was Brown as Chancellor that deregulated them. He also sold off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market costing us tens of billions. The guy was a complete disaster.
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Interesting. Many economic experts said that Brown was the shining light in dealing with the banking issue, and I tend to agree.

What he wasn’t, was the leader the country needed following the huge issues it created.

Trying to blame Brown for the banking crash is simplistic, especially trying to use the sale of gold as another stick to hit him with.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Interesting. Many economic experts said that Brown was the shining light in dealing with the banking issue, and I tend to agree.

What he wasn’t, was the leader the country needed following the huge issues it created.

Trying to blame Brown for the banking crash is simplistic, especially trying to use the sale of gold as another stick to hit him with.
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He was a terrible PM, but still far better than what followed.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They may have done, but it was Brown as Chancellor that deregulated them. He also sold off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market costing us tens of billions. The guy was a complete disaster.
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Good grief, not again.

It would only have cost us billions if Brown hadn't sold it then and a future government decided to sell when the price of gold rose. What chancellor is ever likely to sell gold now - for fear that it would rise higher?

Can you tell me all the economists who knew the price of gold would rise as it did?

Instead we've had years of interest on the bonds Brown bought with the gold.

And Tory privatisations at less than market value cost far more.
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
Interesting. Many economic experts said that Brown was the shining light in dealing with the banking issue, and I tend to agree.

What he wasn’t, was the leader the country needed following the huge issues it created.

Trying to blame Brown for the banking crash is simplistic, especially trying to use the sale of gold as another stick to hit him with.
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The Gold sale retrospective thing is akin to saying my Dad sold our Mk3 1975 Cortina GT for £200 in 1989 it would be worth a fortune now - so many variable in that statement make it questionable - for starters maybe Dad didn't tell you as a youngster the parlous state of the family finances and he needed £200 at a short notice to shore things up
 
bluethrunthru said:
The Gold sale retrospective thing is akin to saying my Dad sold our Mk3 1975 Cortina GT for £200 in 1989 it would be worth a fortune now - so many variable in that statement make it questionable - for starters maybe Dad didn't tell you as a youngster the parlous state of the family finances and he needed £200 at a short notice to shore things up
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As I said, I find it really interesting how people form their opinions, especially over complex matters.

Always an element of bias, and if there’s bias then one will never reflect a truthful opinion.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Interesting. Many economic experts said that Brown was the shining light in dealing with the banking issue, and I tend to agree.

What he wasn’t, was the leader the country needed following the huge issues it created.

Trying to blame Brown for the banking crash is simplistic, especially trying to use the sale of gold as another stick to hit him with.
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He wasn't to blame for the crisis but was caught with his trousers down.
What followed next was all things Gordon, a well intentioned idea that ultimately has disastrous unintended consequences, in this case QE .
Bemoaning the growth of wealth inequality in the UK in the last 25 years ? - Gordon is your man, nobody has done more to exacerbate it.
 
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