The Labour Government

inbetween said:
Would you have allowed a referendum in the first place? If not then you can't really say that you wanted more democracy. I'm sure you're of the view that the majority of the electorate are too stupid to be allowed to vote at all.

The referendum simply asked do you want to leave the EU and that's it. If somebody wanted to leave the EU and they voted to leave the EU and then we left the EU then that referendum has been satisfied. Their reasons for wanting to leave are far too complex to be reduced down to lies. My father in law was a hard line Brexiter and his mind was made up long before the referendum was even held.

It was also impossible that anybody could have voted for a realistic Brexit because the EU would not allow any pre-negotiations so a well-defined version to vote for could never exist. So for those who wanted to consider a serious Brexit then what were they going to vote for other than an optimistic view?

The definition of Brexit, ie the negotiated version only began once we triggered Article 50 but unfortunately the Tory government did that without any knowledge of what it wanted to negotiate. They then LOST all authority in Parliament and our position was compromised to essentially salvage anything that could be salvaged.

I don't see why any of this is the fault of the people who voted for it. It's the fault of politicians, Parliament and the political system which gave us this end result. And what sums up this awful end result? Theresa May was given a peerage!
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One of the best posts I have ever seen on here - very well explained

And of course, someone saying:

"I wanted more democracy. I wanted another democratic vote on leaving the EU once the lies about what it would mean were exposed."

Is just disingenuous bollocks - meaning that they wanted methods available to prevent Brexit happening - therefore less democracy etc - just two-faced shite

Whether people see it as good news or bad - the facts are that there have been developments in UK trading relationships and key policies of major government departments that means that there is no chance we are going to rejoin the EU in the lifetime of our children.

I suggest that some on here would have an improved quality of life if they could start the process of getting over it (and - for some - themselves). It's done - there is no chance of it being undone for decades. Enjoy CITY and stop fucking bleating.
 
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Oldham Exile said:
One of the best posts I have ever seen on here - very well explained

And of course, someone saying:

"I wanted more democracy. I wanted another democratic vote on leaving the EU once the lies about what it would mean were exposed."

Is just disingenuous bollocks - meaning that they wanted methods available to prevent Brexit happening - therefore less democracy etc - just two-faced shite

Whether people see it as good news or bad - the facts are that there have been developments in UK trading relationships and key policies of major government departments that means that there is no chance we are going to rejoin the EU in the lifetime of our children.

I suggest that some on here would have an improved quality if they could start the process of getting over it (and - for some - themselves). It's done - there is no chance of it being undone for decades. Enjoy CITY and stop fucking bleating.
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You only liked it because it appealed to your best bloviating instincts.
 
BobKowalski said:
I am certainly saying our growth would have been better within the EU. It isn’t a difficult equation. If you erect trade barriers then trade becomes more difficult and expensive. If Trump imposes a tariff (a trade barrier) then goods become more expensive for US consumers and more costly for firms in the exporting country.

Tariffs are a crude trade barrier. Non-tariff barriers are more sophisticated as to eliminate the cost of these barriers you need to harmonise standards, rules and regulations which is in essence what the EU does across member countries. This brings down cost for firms ie not having to meet different standards for different countries

The EU is 28 countries. Poland’s growth was just under 3% in 2024. Germany contracted its economy in part from having to transition from cheap energy from Russia. Spain 3.2%. France 1.07%, Sweden 1% and UK 1.1%. EU membership is primarily about minimising trade friction. If you put yourself outside of it then you cease to have the benefits of minimised trade friction.

Are we doing better than Germany? Yes. Are we doing better than Poland and Spain? No. A country’s individual circumstances also plays a part, but it makes zero sense to argue higher trade barriers are better for Britain. They aren’t and never will be because logic dictates otherwise.
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Bob the UK is not Poland or Spain, we are a G7 country they are not.
 
The government has pledged to spend £900m on major sporting events and grassroots facilities across the UK as part of a "transformational" investment.

More than £0.5bn of the money will be used to support the delivery of "a pipeline of major international events", including Euro 2028, which will be hosted in the UK and Ireland.

The 2026 European Athletics Championships in Birmingham and the Grand Departs of the men's and women's Tour de France cycling races in 2027 will also benefit.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
The government has pledged to spend £900m on major sporting events and grassroots facilities across the UK as part of a "transformational" investment.

More than £0.5bn of the money will be used to support the delivery of "a pipeline of major international events", including Euro 2028, which will be hosted in the UK and Ireland.

The 2026 European Athletics Championships in Birmingham and the Grand Departs of the men's and women's Tour de France cycling races in 2027 will also benefit.
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Must’ve had a few quid leftover from the taxes they implemented on the businesses who didn’t want to support the people they employed at minimum wage.
 
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