The Labour Government

TinFoilHat said:
They have a plan.

Just one that doesn't benefit the electorate.
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But Mauritius are mighty pleased with it, lol.

Still can’t believe we did that. Giving our island to Mauritius, a country that HAS NEVER OWNED IT, and to whom we had no legal obligation. And even worse, throw them £50bn to rent part of it back off them.

And all the time, our own Attorney General had been advising them how to bend us over!

You LITERALLY could not make it up. It would be comedy gold were it not so depressing.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
To be fair to Lammy, he’s been calling it out for a while. This was from a Commons statement back in May:

‘We must call this what it is. It is extremism. It is dangerous. It is repellent. It is monstrous. And I condemn it in the strongest possible terms.’

Foreign Secretary’s Statement on Israel and Occupied Palestinian Terrotories
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sadly when you call the school bully a bully it seldom changes things - sometimes you need to grow a pair and punch him in the face - furthermore if a load of your mates at school like that French lad and that Dutch lad have been calling him a bully they could twat him too then get Manuel the Spanish lad who has been itching for the chance to give him a slap too. Then the bully will be put in his place
 
Norbert D said:

Brexit analysis - Office for Budget Responsibility

Since the announcement of the EU referendum we have been producing analysis and writing about the potential effects of Brexit on the economy and public finances. We have compiled our assumptions, judgements and analysis on this page.
obr.uk obr.uk

Lots of stuff in here, the figure quoted by the OBR is 4% of GDP.
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Yes ive seen that forecast, yet the real life data doesn't actually show that does it? We are already the best performing G7 European nation since Brexit, so do you actually think we would be doing 4% better than we actually are if we stayed in the EU? There is little to no chance of that happening is there.
 
metalblue said:
Huh?
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Well as that whole paragraph is talking about the effect of Brexit, it is logical to conclude that:

" We estimate that around two-fifths of the 4 per cent impact had already occurred by the time the TCA came into force, as a result of uncertainty weighing on investment and capital deepening"

the 2/5th that you are dismissing was also due to Brexit but indirectly as it had already led to uncertainty.
 
Don Karleone said:
He condemned it so much that he carried on helping them do it.
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Nobody likes the situation over there and what both sides have done is absolutely abhorrent. However, when it comes to politics we can’t just view it through a single lens. Although my thoughts are that Israel have taken absolutely no notice of us, I do believe both the Tories and Labour could have come out and done a lot more. The last government decided that the legal advice given about war crimes did not support us stopping shipment of offensive arms, this government read it different and stopped shipments of all but defensive munition, with a change of language, aimed at releasing the hostages and a complete ceasefire.

People will point at the F35 parts supply and possible aerial sorties, which a feel is a bit indeicengenuous. The F35 program is us supplying approximately 15% of the parts for use as part of the NATO cooperative. This is contracted and delivered by the private sector. Can we just stop that cooperation, I’m not sure?

As for the sorties, I read that the MoD and Government(s) had claimed that they were done to locate hostages. Some have taken a different line and believe that they have been used to target civilians. I’m sorry, I don’t believe the latter for a second, especially as we’ve refused to sell them offensive weapons.

Anyway, this was more about the reality rather than the picture painted. I don’t remember the last government condemning the Israeli actions but I have seen quite a lot from this one, and the link I provided was there to set the record straight.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
sadly when you call the school bully a bully it seldom changes things - sometimes you need to grow a pair and punch him in the face - furthermore if a load of your mates at school like that French lad and that Dutch lad have been calling him a bully they could twat him too then get Manuel the Spanish lad who has been itching for the chance to give him a slap too. Then the bully will be put in his place
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Not sure why it’s taken so long, but do have a sneaking suspicion that the recent bullshit in the US has focussed minds, given them the impetus to actually grow some bollocks.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Nobody likes the situation over there and what both sides have done is absolutely abhorrent. However, when it comes to politics we can’t just view it through a single lens. Although my thoughts are that Israel have taken absolutely no notice of us, I do believe both the Tories and Labour could have come out and done a lot more. The last government decided that the legal advice given about war crimes did not support us stopping shipment of offensive arms, this government read it different and stopped shipments of all but defensive munition, with a change of language, aimed at releasing the hostages and a complete ceasefire.

People will point at the F35 parts supply and possible aerial sorties, which a feel is a bit indeicengenuous. The F35 program is us supplying approximately 15% of the parts for use as part of the NATO cooperative. This is contracted and delivered by the private sector. Can we just stop that cooperation, I’m not sure?

As for the sorties, I read that the MoD and Government(s) had claimed that they were done to locate hostages. Some have taken a different line and believe that they have been used to target civilians. I’m sorry, I don’t believe the latter for a second, especially as we’ve refused to sell them offensive weapons.

Anyway, this was more about the reality rather than the picture painted. I don’t remember the last government condemning the Israeli actions but I have seen quite a lot from this one, and the link I provided was there to set the record straight.
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what mustn't be overlooked is how many Brits have gone these to fight for the IDF - something that is contrary to section 4 of the Foreign Enlistment Act and should result on arrest and trial on return
 
bluethrunthru said:
what mustn't be overlooked is how many Brits have gone these to fight for the IDF - something that is contrary to section 4 of the Foreign Enlistment Act and should result on arrest and trial on return
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You are right and I’d be interested to know if any of these were UK Forces at one point. What has been notable throughout these actions is the amount of former UK military spokespersons for Israel. You can see why the need for land is insatiable as the growth within the country relies on them taking even more of the Palestinian land.

Very early on, it said to me that they would not stop, which has proved to be the case.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well as that whole paragraph is talking about the effect of Brexit, it is logical to conclude that:

" We estimate that around two-fifths of the 4 per cent impact had already occurred by the time the TCA came into force, as a result of uncertainty weighing on investment and capital deepening"

the 2/5th that you are dismissing was also due to Brexit but indirectly as it had already led to uncertainty.
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I didn’t dismiss anything, I was merely correcting an inaccuracy by another poster.
 
bluethrunthru said:
what mustn't be overlooked is how many Brits have gone these to fight for the IDF - something that is contrary to section 4 of the Foreign Enlistment Act and should result on arrest and trial on return
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There are 80 Britain’s serving in the IDF, they have dual nationality which permits them to serve in the IDF.

Nothing to see here.
 
hampshireblue said:
Well as that whole paragraph is talking about the effect of Brexit, it is logical to conclude that:

" We estimate that around two-fifths of the 4 per cent impact had already occurred by the time the TCA came into force, as a result of uncertainty weighing on investment and capital deepening"

the 2/5th that you are dismissing was also due to Brexit but indirectly as it had already led to uncertainty.
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The actual gdp data doesn't back up that estimate tho does it?
 
Norbert D said:
Do you have any substantial evidence on the cost in GDP for this mythical mass exodus of extremely rich people? Maybe we can do bit of crowd funding to help them? I do know Brexit is costing over £100Billion a year in lost GDP, Starmer and his gang should zeroing in on this, not doing the Tories dirty work for them by attacking working poor.
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You don't know brexit is costing £100 billion, hilarious you quote someone lacking substantial evidence:-)
 
Chippy_boy said:
But Mauritius are mighty pleased with it, lol.

Still can’t believe we did that. Giving our island to Mauritius, a country that HAS NEVER OWNED IT, and to whom we had no legal obligation. And even worse, throw them £50bn to rent part of it back off them.

And all the time, our own Attorney General had been advising them how to bend us over!

You LITERALLY could not make it up. It would be comedy gold were it not so depressing.
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Yeah, never mind the ethnic cleansing of "our island".
 
Chippy_boy said:
But Mauritius are mighty pleased with it, lol.

Still can’t believe we did that. Giving our island to Mauritius, a country that HAS NEVER OWNED IT, and to whom we had no legal obligation. And even worse, throw them £50bn to rent part of it back off them.

And all the time, our own Attorney General had been advising them how to bend us over!

You LITERALLY could not make it up. It would be comedy gold were it not so depressing.
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You should read up on the background to this before spouting complete bollocks.
Start with this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagos_Archipelago_sovereignty_dispute
Ironically Brexit played a part in us having to hand over the islands as the EU were no longer obliged to support our long term position.
 
west didsblue said:
You should read up on the background to this before spouting complete bollocks.
Start with this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagos_Archipelago_sovereignty_dispute
Ironically Brexit played a part in us having to hand over the islands as the EU were no longer obliged to support our long term position.
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Fact remains Mauritius has never owned it. And the other fact is, and I quote, from your link. "the UN advisory opinion and resolutions are not legally binding,"

I'll throw you a bone and say OK we decide to hand them over. Have you actually read the agreement? I took the time to do so, some months ago. It's an utter disgrace.

You should read up on the background to this before spouting complete bollocks.
 
This made me laugh, Liz Kendal commenting on her pension age review:

"many businesses face huge challenges in keeping profitable and flexible in an increasingly uncertain world".

But presumably nothing to do with the huge hike in employers NI nor the restrictions on e.g. zero hours, or the more onerous employee rights?

Laugh out loud funny.
 
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