The Labour Government



The Housemartins had it right in the 80s:

Feigning concern, a Conservative pastime
Makes you feel doubtful right from the start
The expression she pulls is exactly like last time
You've got to conclude she just hasn't a heart
 
I remember paying over 30% IT (I think it was 35%) on a very ordinary salary back in the 1970s. The good news was that public services worked back then.

Thatcher's policy of selling everything not nailed down while at the same time reaping the huge oil revenues of her era and using the proceeds to cut tax massively, had one slight snag. It got people used to unrealistically low levels of taxation. Yes, that's right. Unrealistically low for a broadly social democratic European state as opposed to Arkansas. Now the assets have all gone, the oil revenues are well past their peak, and we are fucked. I know who I blame - the British people and their naive belief that you should be able to buy, as it were, fillet steak for 75p. And blaming the butcher for not achieving this.
 
BrianW said:
I know who I blame - the British people and their naive belief that you should be able to buy, as it were, fillet steak for 75p. And blaming the butcher for not achieving this.
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But surely that is the problem of politicians selling an impossible dream for decades. Whilst we have politicians who are unwilling to put the stark choices and options on the table for all to see, you cant blame the public for being in dreamland. There is little transparency to the average man or woman in the street or political parties providing clear choices.

The only thing they want to make clear are the easy ones to sell e.g. we wont raise NI, VAT or Income tax. There's too much saying things for political gain and not enough truth.

Is it really too much to ask, that the people leading the country should be honest ? I dont think thats naivety.
 
Kompany Car said:
But surely that is the problem of politicians selling an impossible dream for decades. Whilst we have politicians who are unwilling to put the stark choices and options on the table for all to see, you cant blame the public for being in dreamland. There is little transparency to the average man or woman in the street or political parties providing clear choices.

The only thing they want to make clear are the easy ones to sell e.g. we wont raise NI, VAT or Income tax. There's too much saying things for political gain and not enough truth.

Is it really too much to ask, that the people leading the country should be honest ? I dont think thats naivety.
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Starmer tried this shortly after getting in. He was promptly criticised for running the country down.
 
Honest politicians don't get elected.

At a General Election, the parties compete to sell the most persuasive fantasy. They are (all) worse than double glazing salesmen, but that is what we have (collectively) chosen to reward.

Stand on a policy of realism and facts and you would be slaughtered. People don't want to know.
 
BrianW said:
Honest politicians don't get elected.

At a General Election, the parties compete to sell the most persuasive fantasy. They are (all) worse than double glazing salesmen, but that is what we have (collectively) chosen to reward.

Stand on a policy of realism and facts and you would be slaughtered. People don't want to know.
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It's why I won't vote and haven't done for years. No one to vote for, funnily enough since Corbyn, but I disliked him anyway.

Real politicians disappeared years ago. Y,all just voting celebs and whomever the rich media owners want in power.
 
Hgblue2 said:
Somebody in government needs a crash course on the Laffer curve. We are already past the sweet spot so any additional taxes actually reduce revenue due to the negative effect on economic activity.

What the government should be doing is reducing taxes in a smart way to stimulate growth in the economy, this is what Truss got right.

However, this needs to be preceded by serious action to reduce government spending to appease the bond markets, this is what Truss got wrong.

Reeves can't reduce government spending, so can't reduce taxes, so the economy is going to continue to struggle. Flagging economy equals rising debt, so we're stuck in a debt doom loop.

I actually feel sorry for the woman at this point.
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You missed out the words (Economically discredited) before Laffer curve.
 
The next protest vote will sort it.

If not, one can just come on here and bemoan how one hasn’t been listened to again.

“It’s blatantly obvious that I’m being shat on, so what I need to do is vote for more and more extreme things. They’ll not affect me. They’ll just take it out on those pesky people who had the temerity to be born in another country.”

Once we’ve left the ECHR, we can vote to leave the Milky Way.

Edit: I missed the Solar System. Apologies.
 
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