The Labour Government

BlueHammer85 said:
Imagine the uproar and anger if we voted to leave and Cameron didn’t implement it. Would have been riots.
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That’s what he should have put up with, if necessary. It’s called leadership and, that particular case, putting country before party. A child of ten could just do whatever was necessary to avoid difficulties but wouldn’t make much of a PM.
 
KS55 said:
That’s what he should have put up with, if necessary. It’s called leadership and, that particular case, putting country before party. A child of ten could just do whatever was necessary to avoid difficulties but wouldn’t make much of a PM.
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He would likely of lost the next election on that basis and for a party that promises to implement the result. It was going to happen sooner or later either way.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
He would likely of lost the next election on that basis and for a party that promises to implement the result. It was going to happen sooner or later either way.
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The process should have been set out better. Like referenda in countries more experienced in the like Switzerland and Ireland.

Then he wouldn’t have had the flak afterwards and there’d have been more deliberations before another referendum.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The process should have been set out better. Like referenda in countries more experienced in the like Switzerland and Ireland.

Then he wouldn’t have had the flak afterwards and there’d have been more deliberations before another referendum.
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Yep, it’s quite simple: “The referendum proposal will not be implemented unless 60% of those voting…etc”
 
KS55 said:
Brexit was entirely the fault of Cameron.
1. The vote was supposed to be advisory only and not binding. A wafer thin majority should not have been used to convert the vote to a binding decision.
2. Cameron did this because he still had a vociferous group in Parliament that would have split the Tories by campaigning for Brexit if he did not action it. Cameron put party above country.
3. He then resigned, leaving others to implement Brexit.
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The Brexit result was entirely the fault of the remain campaign who failed to put across to the British people the benefits of remaining in the EU.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The process should have been set out better. Like referenda in countries more experienced in the like Switzerland and Ireland.

Then he wouldn’t have had the flak afterwards and there’d have been more deliberations before another referendum.
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The Brexit Withdrawal Agreement should have been negotiated, back-and-forth, and decided on before any Referendum ever took place. It should all have gone on in the background while Britain/EU got on with things as we were, for years.

Once the optimal hypothetical WA was agreed by both Britain/EU, the Referendum should then have occurred based on what the agreed hypothetical deal was… ‘Should the UK Remain/Leave the EU with this Withdrawal Agreement?’, with us having a fully documented deal to read through and take stock of.

We would all have known what we were voting for.

In the end, nobody knew what we were voting for. Even the campaigning was nonsense based on no reality from either side. It was like a General Election where no Party produced a manifesto or did any media. It was a blind guess on the biggest vote in British voting history.

Ridiculous!
 
.db. said:
The Brexit Withdrawal Agreement should have been negotiated, back-and-forth, and decided on before any Referendum ever took place. It should all have gone on in the background while Britain/EU got on with things as we were, for years.

Once the optimal hypothetical WA was agreed by both Britain/EU, the Referendum should then have occurred based on what the agreed hypothetical deal was… ‘Should the UK Remain/Leave the EU with this Withdrawal Agreement?’, with us having a fully documented deal to read through and take stock of.

We would all have known what we were voting for.

In the end, nobody knew what we were voting for. Even the campaigning was nonsense based on no reality from either side. It was like a General Election where no Party produced a manifesto or did any media. It was a blind guess on the biggest vote in British voting history.

Ridiculous!
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That too, once the magic number had been reached.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
All countries in the United Kingdom would have to vote to leave as well .
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And only eu nationals that were living here at the time can vote. Plus a rerun if any single remainer felt the campaign wasnt remainy enough. Plus if it still passes then a bedding in/ buyers remorse cooling off period of 1000 years.


Then another referendum just to make sure plus a..................
 
KS55 said:
That was Cameron as well!
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Once remain got in to the narrative of fighting it on leave’s terms (the cost of being a member) it was lost. Same with Reform and immigration, Labour can say all they want about making it harder, smashing the gangs etc etc - they are on a hiding to nothing as everyone and their dog knows it’s not an easy problem to solve, Farage won’t do any better trying to solve it either. Don’t fight fire with fire by talking of problems instead extol the virtues.
 
johnny crossan said:
which part isn't?
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Sadiq Khan / Nelson IV transcript

Sir Sadiq Khan interviewed by Fraser Nelson Labour party conference, Leonardo Hotel, 29 September 2025 Sir Sadiq Khan: I'm incredibly proud of the city. I'm the mayor of the capital city, and I think it’s the greatest city in the world. And I think there's a reason why politicians and commenta...
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I don't know, that's why I asked. It's quite an odd interview that you could read in multiple ways with different conclusions, which is why I asked what you found particularly disturbing.
 
threespires said:
I don't know, that's why I asked. It's quite an odd interview that you could read in multiple ways with different conclusions, which is why I asked what you found particularly disturbing.
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The most disturbing is Khan's apparent acceptance of the status quo in terms of crime being out of control - from low level shoplifting & fare dodging to open gang warfare, stabbings and murders..
 
johnny crossan said:
The most disturbing is Khan's apparent acceptance of the status quo in terms of crime being out of control - from low level shoplifting & fare dodging to open gang warfare, stabbings and murders..
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Violent crime is about 14% down year on year. The police have just nabbed a gang that they believe have been responsible for 40% of phone thefts in the capital. If that proves to be the case that should lead to another significant drop.

I don't believe there is any "acceptance" of the present situation but inevitably manpower is key.

I was in London a few weeks ago around the Stratford area. I walked the best part of 5 miles and at no point felt threatened. The only unruly behaviour I saw all day was from a Liverpool fan on the train out of London as they had just lost the Community Shield to Palace.
 
hampshireblue said:
Violent crime is about 14% down year on year. The police have just nabbed a gang that they believe have been responsible for 40% of phone thefts in the capital. If that proves to be the case that should lead to another significant drop.

I don't believe there is any "acceptance" of the present situation but inevitably manpower is key.

I was in London a few weeks ago around the Stratford area. I walked the best part of 5 miles and at no point felt threatened. The only unruly behaviour I saw all day was from a Liverpool fan on the train out of London as they had just lost the Community Shield to Palace.
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I lived in London for a while in the 60s on Ladbroke Grove - lucky to get out alive, never again
from a recent BBC report on the 'reduction' story - (I know he's a Tory)
But shadow home secretary Chris Philp said: "Sadiq Khan seems to be the only person who thinks there is no crime problem in London.
"He cherry-picks his numbers and hopes Londoners will forget the reality that knife crime is up 86% on his watch, external, stop and search collapsed by more than half, and London now accounts for nearly half of all knife-point robberies in England.
"Under this Labour mayor, criminals know the odds are stacked in their favour.
"Only one in 20 robberies is solved, fewer offenders are being jailed, and more than 1,000 police officers have been cut from the Metropolitan Police, with Sir Mark Rowley warning of further losses this year.
"Londoners don't feel safer because London isn't safer."
 
johnny crossan said:
The most disturbing is Khan's apparent acceptance of the status quo in terms of crime being out of control - from low level shoplifting & fare dodging to open gang warfare, stabbings and murders..
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Oh right. Have to admit I didn't interpret it like that. I thought he was essentially arguing that even with reinvestment in the police when you still have real term cuts to the policing budget you're going to end up prioritising. I can definitely see for instance why if you were a retailer losing money to shoplifters the tone of it would really wind you up but I didn't really get the take away from it you did.
 
I sometimes wonder if all these arrests related to the public order act are something police actually like enforcing. Looks like it gives them a right headache yet consecutive governments keep adding to it.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
I sometimes wonder if all these arrests related to the public order act are something police actually like enforcing. Looks like it gives them a right headache yet consecutive governments keep adding to it.
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If you allow general.shit house behaviour to fester and grow bad things happen.
Look at is this way which affects people worse and more often little bastards making peoples lives a misery and robbing local shops or a granny with a placard.
I know whose heads i want banging
 
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