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Quad said:
Who is the answer in your wonderful eyes ? People are fed up of labour and Tory’s full stop and wanting a change, sure people like yourself look down at reform voters as thick
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I never said I knew the answer but what I do know is that Reform will make things even worse than they are. While no politician is perfect, Farage is a grifting **** who cares not a jot for the average person on the street and is every bit a part of the establishment as all those Labour and Tory politicians that are accused of being part of the establishment. Also, things are already unravelling for them at local council level. Say what you want about Labour and the Tories but at least they’ve got a modicum of competence unlike Reform.

Also, I never said Reform voters are thick but many of them are falling for populist soundbites.
 
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jacko74 said:
So you're honestly trying to say the NHS isn't epically wasteful and inefficient across every aspect of its functions?

I don't blame immigrants in any of this, they're as much victims as everyone else, encouraged to come here with lies and false promises of a "better life" only to find themselves earning illegally low pay in the grey/gig economy and forced to live in squalid overcrowded HMO's... all so the avaricious corporations and parasitic rentier classes can profit off the back of them.
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You blamed the workforce for being lazy.

"An abysmal work culture".

You are attacking people whose jobs you couldn't do all across the public sector, and have no idea how efficient they are.

The biggest challenges have been the cuts since 2010, understaffed and having to spend more on agency staff, and your Fuhrer wants to make more cuts, and you believe it all without evidence.

He wants to sell off the NHS to the USA, and make billions out of it. You don't make something more efficient by making blanket cuts, and Labour have scrapped NHS England, so you can't get rid of them.

He needs thick people to vote for him, and there are plenty that will, as the Sun is probably still the most popular newspaper, you know the one that would get excited about paedophiles but still show topless 16 year old girls for old men to wank over until Labour banned it.

Or are you more of a Daily Star man?
 
Corky said:
You blamed the workforce for being lazy.

"An abysmal work culture".

You are attacking people whose jobs you couldn't do all across the public sector, and have no idea how efficient they are.

The biggest challenges have been the cuts since 2010, understaffed and having to spend more on agency staff, and your Fuhrer wants to make more cuts, and you believe it all without evidence.

He wants to sell off the NHS to the USA, and make billions out of it. You don't make something more efficient by making blanket cuts, and Labour have scrapped NHS England, so you can't get rid of them.

He needs thick people to vote for him, and there are plenty that will, as the Sun is probably still the most popular newspaper, you know the one that would get excited about paedophiles but still show topless 16 year old girls for old men to wank over until Labour banned it.

Or are you more of a Daily Star man?
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You're conflating two completely seperate accusations that you're levelling at me, I was responding to you telling me "I'll be blaming the immigrants"

I entirely stand by my seperate statement that on the whole the public sector workforce, especially middle management and above, is predominantly left wing with an abysmal and deeply entrenched work culture of inefficiency, entitlement and non-accountability.

I understand you can only garner your abusive rhetoric, infantile name calling and oh so tired and clichéd soundbites from the left wing social media echo chambers you frequent, possibly with a bit of the Guardian thrown in for good measure... that's fair enough, I don't hold it against you, I can only try to encourage you to expand your sources of learning and information.
 
M18CTID said:
I never said I knew the answer but what I do know is that Reform will make things even worse than they are. While no politician is perfect, Farage is a grifting **** who cares not a joy for the average person on the street and is every bit a part of the establishment as all those Labour and Tory politicians that are accused of being part of the establishment. Also, things are already unravelling for them at local council level. Say what you want about Labour and the Tories but at least they’ve got a modicum of competence unlike Reform.

Also, I never said Reform voters are thick but many of them are falling for populist soundbites.
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So it's that Labour and Tory competence that's got the country into the state it now finds itself in is it?

The only thing that all Labour and Tory politicians have demonstrably proved themselves competent at is personally enriching themselves whilst doing the bidding of their corporate and rentier class paymasters.

Reform haven't proven one way or another whether they'll be just as bad.
 
jacko74 said:
Any perceived failure of a private sector entity to provide an adequate service for the customer is very unlikely to be due to a rife poor work ethic or inefficiency from unproductive and unaccountable workers.

And if a private sector entity fails to provide a satisfactory level of service the paying customer generally has the right to take their business elsewhere.

Perhaps I should tell my local authority I'm taking my business elsewhere and as a result I'll no longer be paying my Council Tax.
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So why is UK private sector productivity so poor?
 
jacko74 said:
So it's that Labour and Tory competence that's got the country into the state it now finds itself in is it?

The only thing that all Labour and Tory politicians have demonstrably proved themselves competent at is personally enriching themselves whilst doing the bidding of their corporate and rentier class paymasters.

Reform haven't proven one way or another whether they'll be just as bad.
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The problem is the 2 main parties have spent the last 9 years trying to sort out the mess that Farage was so instrumental in causing in the first place.

There is no doubt that he is an engaging speaker-if you wish to be taken in by him. If you have an open mind, most of what he says falls apart without needing to give it too much thought.

If Farage was an estate agent I bet you wouldn't go anywhere near him.
 
Vic said:
So why is UK private sector productivity so poor?
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Compared to some countries it could be considered "poor" but there's a whole range of factors that have to be taken into consideration.

The fact that the UK largely relies on exploiting cheap imported labour rather than pursuing and developing technological innovation is just one contributory factor to having a perceived poor productivity amongst many other factors which makes comparing productivity with other countries pretty meaningless and irrelevant.

A bit like comparing GDP with other countries, I'm sure you don't me to tell you how farcicallly pointless that is.
 
jacko74 said:
Compared to some countries it could be considered "poor" but there's a whole range of factors that have to be taken into consideration.

The fact that the UK largely relies on exploiting cheap imported labour rather than pursuing and developing technological innovation is just one contributory factor to having a perceived poor productivity amongst many other factors which makes comparing productivity with other countries pretty meaningless and irrelevant.

A bit like comparing GDP with other countries, I'm sure you don't me to tell you how farcicallly pointless that is.
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Which areas are you talking about that is predominantly carried out by "cheap imported labour" that has a significant impact on productivity in the UK?
 
hampshireblue said:
The problem is the 2 main parties have spent the last 9 years trying to sort out the mess that Farage was so instrumental in causing in the first place.

There is no doubt that he is an engaging speaker-if you wish to be taken in by him. If you have an open mind, most of what he says falls apart without needing to give it too much thought.

If Farage was an estate agent I bet you wouldn't go anywhere near him.
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He sounds positively superhuman this Farage chap, this one man alone is capable of singlehandedly occupying the time and effort of two entire governing political parties.

Oh and the country has been going down the drain for considerably longer than the last 9 years, but I'm guessing you hadn't noticed.

I'll say again for the umpteenth time, Farage hasn't demonstrated either way yet whether he really is just another political puppet of the corporations and rentier classes, if he fails to honour his commitment to reducing mass immigration then he will prove he's just as bad as all the other politicians and just as much in the pockets of the billionaires who profit so much from exploiting immigrants.
 
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hampshireblue said:
Which areas are you talking about that is predominantly carried out by "cheap imported labour" that has a significant impact on productivity in the UK?
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The use of cheap imported labour is basically the lazy and easier option as opposed to investing in technological innovation to improve productivity.

The use of cheap imported labour is so all encompassing and wide scale across most of the economy and employment sector, especially low skilled and unskilled work, it would be impossible to give examples of specific areas or industries where its impacted productivity, it would be far easier for me to give you examples of low skilled employment sectors that haven't been subject to wage suppression... erm, none.
 
jacko74 said:
The use of cheap imported labour is basically the lazy and easier option as opposed to investing in technological innovation to improve productivity.

The use of cheap imported labour is so all encompassing and wide scale across most of the economy and employment sector, especially low skilled and unskilled work, it would be impossible to give examples of specific areas or industries where its impacted productivity, it would be far easier for me to give you examples of low skilled employment sectors that haven't been subject to wage suppression... erm, none.
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It's really not that difficult surely to give an example of low and unskilled work that is just begging to be modernised to create an uplift in the economy.
 
hampshireblue said:
It's really not that difficult surely to give an example of low and unskilled work that is just begging to be modernised to create an uplift in the economy.
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Go on then, I'll help you out as I can see you're struggling.

Here's one very rare example of where such technological innovation is actually being implemented...

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jacko74 said:
As I've already said, they may well fail to honour any of their ambitious policy commitments to reform the UK and rectify the catastrophic damage inflicted by the Lib/Lab/Con Alliance and their billionaire paymasters.

We'll never know if they're not given the opportunity.

So who or what is the answer?
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Not Farage
 
jacko74 said:
He sounds positively superhuman this Farage chap, this one man alone is capable of singlehandedly occupying the time and effort of two entire governing political parties.

Oh and the country has been going down the drain for considerably longer than the last 9 years, but I'm guessing you hadn't noticed.

I'll say again for the umpteenth time, Farage hasn't demonstrated either way yet whether he really is just another political puppet of the corporations and rentier classes, if he fails to honour his commitment to reducing mass immigration then he will prove he's just as bad as all the other politicians and just as much in the pockets of the billionaires who profit so much from exploiting immigrants.
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No, the results of his lies, Cameron's ineffectiveness and the gullibility of the electorate lead to years of government taking their eyes of the ball. Unfortunately the electorate thought the grass was greener in 2016 and Farage is appealing to exactly the same mentality. Don't look over here, it's the bloody foreigners that are making you unhappy.
 
jacko74 said:
So it's that Labour and Tory competence that's got the country into the state it now finds itself in is it?

The only thing that all Labour and Tory politicians have demonstrably proved themselves competent at is personally enriching themselves whilst doing the bidding of their corporate and rentier class paymasters.

Reform haven't proven one way or another whether they'll be just as bad.
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They’re already proving at local council level that they’re totally out of their depth.
 
jacko74 said:
It's everything to do with the abysmal work ethic that exists within local government workforces and the wider public sector.

Tolerating this atrocious public sector work culture with It's appalling productivity and complete lack of accountability is one of the single biggest economic drags on the UK and it still exists as bad as ever regardless of any cuts and attempts to reform it over the years.
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You haven’t actually said anything of any substance
 
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