The Labour Government

[The Future’s Blue!]

No Government ever sorts out top heavy administration.

Just got rid of NHS England, with individual trusts cutting the admin/managerial positions, surely you are happy for this policy?

 

[bluethrunthru]

If you want a fix to any perceived problems then you have to be prepared to pay for it. I'll post in this thread but it applies to the Tories, Greens, Reform any of them.

Announcements are cheap. Implementation costs.

Justice? Open more courts- employ more solicitors/barristers. They are out there I know it from personal experience.
Prisons? Build more. Staff them properly and fully - provide rehabilitation (the point of prison)
NHS? Pay doctors pay nurses build the 40 new hospitals the joker Johnson promised and give jobs to those newly qualified
Immigration? Process applications and deal based upon their results - remain or deport.
Housing? - build - get councils involved build council estates again stop right to buy and offer housing that undercuts private rental costs.
Growth? Energy, roads, rail, regeneration - keep it in hose stop giving it away ( see Teesworks for an example)

I could go on and on but its down to commitment and money - if you have the former you do the latter. Reverse the employers NI increase and tax unearned income like dividends at the same rate as income. Tax wealth - the Duke of Westminster can go where he wants he ain't taking all of his assets ( the land of Chelsea and Westminster with him ).
Get fucking real on the EU. We ain't rejoining soon - stop pretending its to pander to the Right and explain that we will have to earn their trust over Brexit meanwhile do as much as we can to re-establish trading links with the EU and illustrate why that is beneficial.

Real politcians need to get on the front foot and get a grip.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Just got rid of NHS England, with individual trusts cutting the admin/managerial positions, surely you are happy for this policy?

All credible sources say the NHS is under managed, not top heavy. NHS England has 500+ statutory duties. Who will perform them when it’s gone. And in trusts, do you want clinicians doing form filling?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

All credible sources say the NHS is under managed, not top heavy. NHS England has 500+ statutory duties. Who will perform them when it’s gone. And in trusts, do you want clinicians doing form filling?

Personally, I thought NHS England was a cost that the government of the time put in place so that they could exonerate themselves from actually cost of running it. This moves puts the emphasis directly at the governments feet, making the DHSC, and MPs, responsible

As for those credible sources, of course they would call for their jobs to be saved, just like those PCCs who nobody understands who they are.

 

[Earlyriser]

Perhaps somebody could explain to me why when the media were in full voice about impending tax rises in the forthcoming Budget the Footsie was heading towards 10,000 yet today when tax rises have ben ruled out the Footsie has had a considerable fall. I understand the policy has changed from increasing rates of Income Tax to playing with thresholds and allowances but why the movement...

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Personally, I thought NHS England was a cost that the government of the time put in place so that they could exonerate themselves from actually cost of running it. This moves puts the emphasis directly at the governments feet, making the DHSC, and MPs, responsible

As for those credible sources, of course they would call for their jobs to be saved, just like those PCCs who nobody understands who they are.

New study lays bare the growing crisis NHS faces

www.independent.co.uk

Near record low of managers. 1 in 33 staff are managers. Clinical professionals picking up the slack.

NHS under-managed when comparing internationally

Finding hope: The final report of the IPPR health and care workforce assembly | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.

www.ippr.org

"Personally, I thought NHS England was a cost that the government of the time put in place so that they could exonerate themselves from actually cost of running it. This moves puts the emphasis directly at the governments feet, making the DHSC, and MPs, responsible"

This was exactly the policy. Shift the staff out. Now who will do the work that comes back in?

 

[jrb]

Neither of the Whites (although they are unmarried, they share a surname after Lisa changed hers by deed poll) is working. Indeed, there hasn't been a breadwinner in the house for the past three years. Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse – and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in state handouts amid the widely anticipated removal of the two-child benefits cap.

The family-of-seven who could get an extra £10,000 of welfare a year

Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse - and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in handouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[stonerblue]

Perhaps somebody could explain to me why when the media were in full voice about impending tax rises in the forthcoming Budget the Footsie was heading towards 10,000 yet today when tax rises have ben ruled out the Footsie has had a considerable fall. I understand the policy has changed from increasing rates of Income Tax to playing with thresholds and allowances but why the movement...

Summat to do with 'investors'

 

[Brewster's millions]

You have no fucking clue what is going on but feel free to carry on with your bullshit.

The truth hurts doesn’t it, David?

Actually there’s every chance that an income tax rise will be back on the agenda by the middle of next week. Another 20-30bp on gilt yields and they’ll be in full scale panic mode. Hopefully the penny will drop with you at some point.

 

[Don Karleone]

Neither of the Whites (although they are unmarried, they share a surname after Lisa changed hers by deed poll) is working. Indeed, there hasn't been a breadwinner in the house for the past three years. Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse – and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in state handouts amid the widely anticipated removal of the two-child benefits cap.

The family-of-seven who could get an extra £10,000 of welfare a year

Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse - and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in handouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The article says they both used to work, the guy since he was 16. Isn't that what people wanted?

 

[WRicko]

There is a coordinated plot to defund the public purse / tax payer and the BBC by GB News right wing politicians, billionaires, a foreign state other rival broadcasters domestic and foreign. We have enemies within and it’s clear who they are and what they want no public broadcaster higher profits and regime change forever

 

[Scottyboi]

The article says they both used to work, the guy since he was 16. Isn't that what people wanted?

I despise the cunts selling their story knowing full well it's going to be used to demonize everyone else.

 

[WRicko]

Personally, I thought NHS England was a cost that the government of the time put in place so that they could exonerate themselves from actually cost of running it. This moves puts the emphasis directly at the governments feet, making the DHSC, and MPs, responsible

As for those credible sources, of course they would call for their jobs to be saved, just like those PCCs who nobody understands who they are.

To be fair I think it was think tanks and health professionals and international comparisons and they haven’t lost there job or hadn’t at that point.

 

[WRicko]

The truth hurts doesn’t it, David?

Actually there’s every chance that an income tax rise will be back on the agenda by the middle of

The sole factor motivating this u-turn is the utterly desperate level of Starmer's authority within the Labour Party, following another disastrous week for him. Starmer and Reeves are now so weak that they wouldn't survive a hike in income tax.

Economic policy is being made on the hoof and changing with the wind. Ill advised briefing against Streeting leads to a re-write of the Budget and a surge in gilt yields today.

What a complete shitshow.

You don’t know for certain what the plan was for the budget. If it has changed and if so why

 

[Kompany Car]

Perhaps somebody could explain to me why when the media were in full voice about impending tax rises in the forthcoming Budget the Footsie was heading towards 10,000 yet today when tax rises have ben ruled out the Footsie has had a considerable fall. I understand the policy has changed from increasing rates of Income Tax to playing with thresholds and allowances but why the movement...

The stock market works on sentiment as much as facts. In reality its a mixture of things.

The Dow and Nasdaq have been falling due to interest rates remaining high in the US and some profit taking at what was a recent market peak, following the AI bubble concerns.

Closer to home the plan to raise income tax which had been floated but now appears to have been withdrawn, would have given markets some confidence that the government was serious about balancing the books. How that might now be done is a bit more up in the air and as such there will be some worry about if they will target tax hikes on big business.

Finally the uncertainty has resulted in gilt yields increases due to the perceived threat of further inflation as institutional investors demand more to cover the erosion of their money, so government debt repayments increase. The worry around increased inflation therefore also being a concern.

In general its a complex relationship where you have to really be clear about your intentions or you spook investors.

 

[Vic]

I just believe the UK needs more money from the public purse if you want a better NHS, better public transport, policing, prison system etc. You can't have it all on a fairly low tax system.

I also think that when the compulsory pension contribution system came in, it wasn't expected that so many people would live so many years beyond the pension age. I did a little bit of (admittedly limited) research and when it was brought in the average age of death compared to pensions was less than half that it is now. It's just not all sustainable.

If I read the table right in this (link below), most people who were 40 in 1880 would have a life expectancy of around 30 years so most would have died before the pension at 70 was introduced. If you lived to collect your pension (equivalent of about £25 a week in current prices) you might survive 8 years on average (though the average life expectancy at 70 included the well-off who were less likely to be suffering from 55 or even 60 years of hard work and industrial diseases).

Of course, getting a pension increased life expectancy.

Life Expectancy in years at various ages, by decade

 

[WRicko]

All these political commentators saying that labour don’t have a plan I don’t get how they can know. I am fairly certain they have said they have been working on renters rights and workers rights for years. The planning reforms seem to have been in the works for a while.

The economic budget issues in this budget and the last one stem from some Tory unfunded spending some we knew about some not some could have in theory been avoided (good luck running the country with ur giving key works pay rises tho ) some they chose to carry out.

 

[WRicko]

Am I the only one who cannot stand and doesn’t rate Wez Streeting ? Even reform voters rang in to LBC and said how well he did

 

[TinFoilHat]

Neither of the Whites (although they are unmarried, they share a surname after Lisa changed hers by deed poll) is working. Indeed, there hasn't been a breadwinner in the house for the past three years. Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse – and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in state handouts amid the widely anticipated removal of the two-child benefits cap.

The family-of-seven who could get an extra £10,000 of welfare a year

Their domestic budget comes entirely from the public purse - and they are among almost 200,000 large families set to receive thousands of pounds more in handouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Not like the Daily Heil to find someone to shame to pursue their agenda of sucking off the rich and supporting Fascists.

 

[Vic]

New study lays bare the growing crisis NHS faces

www.independent.co.uk

Near record low of managers. 1 in 33 staff are managers. Clinical professionals picking up the slack.

NHS under-managed when comparing internationally

Finding hope: The final report of the IPPR health and care workforce assembly | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.

www.ippr.org

"Personally, I thought NHS England was a cost that the government of the time put in place so that they could exonerate themselves from actually cost of running it. This moves puts the emphasis directly at the governments feet, making the DHSC, and MPs, responsible"

This was exactly the policy. Shift the staff out. Now who will do the work that comes back in?

I'm not that well versed in who does what in NHS admin but I do know our new health centre took 20 years ... and when the GPs had been found to run it, and the Trust had agreed to build it, it then had to go to NHS England (regional then national) to sign it off. It all makes work...