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Just for a start, the USA is dominated by 'Christians'.

The UK is not, and has not been, in living memory. Arguably, since 1660. While there are a few 'Christians' knocking about, most UK Christians are laid-back people and do not dictate to others. (As an aside, they often do stuff for the community, and rarely, if ever, believe that Jesus suffered on the cross to make them wealthy and/or powerful.)
 
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BrianW said:
Just for a start, the USA is dominated by 'Christians'.

The UK is not, and has not been, in living memory. Arguably, since 1660. While there are a few 'Christians' knocking about, most UK Christians are laid-back people and do not dictate to others. (As an aside, they often do stuff for the community, and rarely, if ever, believe that Jesus suffered on the cross to make them wealthy and/or powerful.
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Most Christians aren't Christians anyway. Gun wielding pissed up maniacs don't exactly fit the bill of upstanding Christians. The nationalists here aren't Christians either, they just use that tag because Christianity is part of a picture of a so called national identity.

The far-right also use demographic change in religion to justify an incoming threat, they'll for example say that there are decreasing numbers of Christians and increasing numbers of Muslims.

This is true but they forget that Christian numbers are decreasing because people are becoming less religious. The biggest threat to Christianity isn't Islam, it's atheism/agnostics. The far-right however won't attack an atheist because they don't actually care because they aren't actually Christians themselves, plus most atheists are white.

Religion, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The religion of usual residents and household religious composition in England and Wales, Census 2021 data.
www.ons.gov.uk
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Most Christians aren't Christians anyway. Gun wielding pissed up maniacs don't exactly fit the bill of upstanding Christians. The nationalists here aren't Christians either, they just use that tag because Christianity is part of a picture of a so called national identity.

The far-right also use demographic change in religion to justify an incoming threat, they'll for example say that there are decreasing numbers of Christians and increasing numbers of Muslims.

This is true but they forget that Christian numbers are decreasing because people are becoming less religious. The biggest threat to Christianity isn't Islam, it's atheism/agnostics. The far-right however won't attack an atheist because they don't actually care because they aren't actually Christians themselves, plus most atheists are white.

Religion, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The religion of usual residents and household religious composition in England and Wales, Census 2021 data.
www.ons.gov.uk
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While true, in America not being 'religious or believing in god' is a vote loser in some states.In the UK most people couldn't care less when they are voting.
 
maxwellblue said:
Haha, so you're happy for someone to come on a boat who has contributed nothing to get well looked after but a person who has worked all their lives in the uk and paid tax and ni to get nowt because they choose to live out their retirement somewhere warmer.

Also the big difference with immigrants from the uk who choose to live abroad aren't a burden on the country they choose to live in unlike all these cookers coming over in boats.
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Fuck me, we're being invaded by cookers now? The national grid cannae cope...
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Most Christians aren't Christians anyway. Gun wielding pissed up maniacs don't exactly fit the bill of upstanding Christians. The nationalists here aren't Christians either, they just use that tag because Christianity is part of a picture of a so called national identity.
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There was a reason I put 'Christians' in inverted commas

Many so-called Christians are not Christians at all. Frankly, they are heretics, and if you examine their opinions, they contradict every word Jesus spoke.
 
Has anyone figured out how exactly extending from 5 years to 15 years the time a legal migrant has to wait before they can claim indefinate leave to remain, acts as any kind of disincentive? Or even makes any difference at all?

So someone who wants to remain here permanently, can live, work, use our public services including the NHS, and breed whilst waiting 15 years instead of 5. And then after that time, they will be able to carry on doing exactly what they've been doing for the previous 5 or 15 years. Puzzling.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Has anyone figured out how exactly extending from 5 years to 15 years the time a legal migrant has to wait before they can claim indefinate leave to remain, acts as any kind of disincentive? Or even makes any difference at all?

So someone who wants to remain here permanently, can live, work, use our public services including the NHS, and breed whilst waiting 15 years instead of 5. And then after that time, they will be able to carry on doing exactly what they've been doing for the previous 5 or 15 years. Puzzling.
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Isn't it about access to the public purse/funds? Despite what people read or think EVERY visa application to the UK states that there will be no access to public funds.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Isn't it about access to the public purse/funds? Despite what people read or think EVERY visa application to the UK states that there will be no access to public funds.
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Maybe? I don't know. But what does that mean exactly? I mean if someone cannot support themselves or becomes ill, we don't just let them die by the roadside.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Has anyone figured out how exactly extending from 5 years to 15 years the time a legal migrant has to wait before they can claim indefinate leave to remain, acts as any kind of disincentive? Or even makes any difference at all?

So someone who wants to remain here permanently, can live, work, use our public services including the NHS, and breed whilst waiting 15 years instead of 5. And then after that time, they will be able to carry on doing exactly what they've been doing for the previous 5 or 15 years. Puzzling.
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Give it a fucking rest Chippy. Not good for your health. You're in clover with fuck all to worry about really.
 
blueparrot said:
While true, in America not being 'religious or believing in god' is a vote loser in some states.In the UK most people couldn't care less when they are voting.
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I agree but that's driven by the whole "god, country, family" type thing. Religion there is just part and parcel of what is really an organised version of nationalism.

The US is actually a weird country which lacks a distinct dominant form of Christianity like in Europe. That's probably because the majority don't actually practice a distinct form but they identify with it because that's just what you do. Politicians exploit that for what it's worth indeed purely to win votes.

Here in the UK we do/did have a dominant form of Christianity but then that's only because the crown used to persecute and kill anybody who opposed it... Again another form of nationalism.
 
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