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Chippy_boy said:
Has anyone figured out how exactly extending from 5 years to 15 years the time a legal migrant has to wait before they can claim indefinate leave to remain, acts as any kind of disincentive? Or even makes any difference at all?

So someone who wants to remain here permanently, can live, work, use our public services including the NHS, and breed whilst waiting 15 years instead of 5. And then after that time, they will be able to carry on doing exactly what they've been doing for the previous 5 or 15 years. Puzzling.
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Give it a fucking rest Chippy. Not good for your health. You're in clover with fuck all to worry about really.
 
blueparrot said:
While true, in America not being 'religious or believing in god' is a vote loser in some states.In the UK most people couldn't care less when they are voting.
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I agree but that's driven by the whole "god, country, family" type thing. Religion there is just part and parcel of what is really an organised version of nationalism.

The US is actually a weird country which lacks a distinct dominant form of Christianity like in Europe. That's probably because the majority don't actually practice a distinct form but they identify with it because that's just what you do. Politicians exploit that for what it's worth indeed purely to win votes.

Here in the UK we do/did have a dominant form of Christianity but then that's only because the crown used to persecute and kill anybody who opposed it... Again another form of nationalism.
 
stonerblue said:
Give it a fucking rest Chippy. Not good for your health. You're in clover with fuck all to worry about really.
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Thanks for the advice, but I was only asking. The thing is, i've worked my arse off all my life doing some really shitty jobs, highly stressed. Not being funny but most people I think would not have been able to put up with it and would have quit citing "stress". Now I have got myself to a position where I can just about afford a relatively comfortable retirement. Not excessive, just enough. If returns on investments take a tumble, it will be squeaky bum. If not, I shoudl just about be OK. I have no "spare" money.

So funnily enough I am rather paranoid about some **** in No. 11 deciding well done, you've amassed a few bob so we will take it off you to pay for the lazy twats who DID quit their jobs citing stress.
 
metalblue said:
Gate prices are up not down, generally they fluctuate but the trend is around up 45% over the last 5 years.

On top of that there are the processing and distribution costs before it gets to the supermarket shelf.

I’m sure you have a point worth investigating around supermarket profits but that was a bad example to use.
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I'm not talking about the last 5 years. I took the increase in the retail price of milk to mean just this month, when the farmgate prices are down.
 
maxwellblue said:
Haha, so you're happy for someone to come on a boat who has contributed nothing to get well looked after but a person who has worked all their lives in the uk and paid tax and ni to get nowt because they choose to live out their retirement somewhere warmer.

Also the big difference with immigrants from the uk who choose to live abroad aren't a burden on the country they choose to live in unlike all these cookers coming over in boats.
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An 18-year-old coming on a boat has cost us nothing. A UK-born 18-year-old has already had 18 years of free health care and free education. (And before anyone says it, the tax their parents have paid has probably not met the cost of all the "benefits" they've had in that time.)
 
Chippy_boy said:
In the parallel universe you seem to inhabit, then perhaps all of the above is true. The fact the country is in the state it's in, rather neatly demonstrates that we don't actually live in your parallel universe. We are not the Netherlands, or the Nordics and we will never be like them. I constantly hear you lot saying "why can't we be like e.g. Sweden or Finland or Norway". Well no shit Sherlock, because 1,000 years of history has made us not like the Swedes, Fins or Norwegians. That's the reality you lot don't seem to be able to suck up. We are intrinsically less socialist, less left wing, more like the US than we are like many in the EU.
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The last person I heard say, "Why can't we be like Norway?" was Farage in the referendum campaign.
 
Vic said:
An 18-year-old coming on a boat has cost us nothing. A UK-born 18-year-old has already had 18 years of free health care and free education. (And before anyone says it, the tax their parents have paid has probably not met the cost of all the "benefits" they've had in that time.)
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You can put him up in your spare bedroom then.
 
blueparrot said:
While true, in America not being 'religious or believing in god' is a vote loser in some states.In the UK most people couldn't care less when they are voting.
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It seems younger American women are turning away from the right wing evangelical churches run by men who (a) don't think women should be in positions of leadership - in the church, or in business, or politics - and (b) love the rapist in the White House.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I agree but that's driven by the whole "god, country, family" type thing. Religion there is just part and parcel of what is really an organised version of nationalism.

The US is actually a weird country which lacks a distinct dominant form of Christianity like in Europe. That's probably because the majority don't actually practice a distinct form but they identify with it because that's just what you do. Politicians exploit that for what it's worth indeed purely to win votes.

Here in the UK we do/did have a dominant form of Christianity but then that's only because the crown used to persecute and kill anybody who opposed it... Again another form of nationalism.
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We have actually now got a revival of "Christians" who want to persecute, chanting "Jesus is King" and attacking mosques.
 
we have a good PM and a stable government at long last.
shame we have a constant tidal wave of negativity, scrutiny and outrage no matter what they do led by the media and tech giants.
 
Vic said:
An 18-year-old coming on a boat has cost us nothing. A UK-born 18-year-old has already had 18 years of free health care and free education. (And before anyone says it, the tax their parents have paid has probably not met the cost of all the "benefits" they've had in that time.)
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Then we should stop having kids then and just import people over the age of 18, that’ll sort everything.
 
Vic said:
An 18-year-old coming on a boat has cost us nothing. A UK-born 18-year-old has already had 18 years of free health care and free education. (And before anyone says it, the tax their parents have paid has probably not met the cost of all the "benefits" they've had in that time.)
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It's cost at least a portion of the amount we are giving to the French and whatever the border force costs to bring them ashore. So there is a cost before they land. The UK born 18 year old costs may or may not have been met by the parent's tax contributions but the important point you make there is 'UK born' as a nation its a given that we support our own before work and after they retire which I am more than happy to do. I and the majority of the British public have no wish to fund illegal immigration.
 
Vic said:
An 18-year-old coming on a boat has cost us nothing. A UK-born 18-year-old has already had 18 years of free health care and free education. (And before anyone says it, the tax their parents have paid has probably not met the cost of all the "benefits" they've had in that time.)
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I’m of the opinion anyone coming over should pay more in tax (ie reduce their tax free allowance) to offset the cost - it’s a bit fairer than taking assets off them. I’d also let them work from day 1.
 
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