The Labour Government

SMB75 said:
Far to many milking the system and playing the "mental health" card.
I'll open up I have had my own MH problems which at times has out me on the brink. I do understand the issues, especially with single men.
But I find work helps, being around people. But far too many are not prepared to face the world, adapt and put some effort in and go to work.
They stay at home and claim they are unfit to work. This is one of the fundamental problems that need sorting out. It's far too easy for them to be wrote off and thus become a burden to the tax payer.
And sadly thousands of young adults are signed off this way, many citing the pandemic which ended 5 years ago as messing them up. Where is the resilience? Where is the drive in some of these people?

I'm sorry don't agree.
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You're generalising about those on benefits and mental health.

It is incredibly hard to get benefits in this country despite what you may believe. A person cannot claim they have mental health problems and then just get benefits. There are a lot of hoops and assessments to jump through. It's also a condition that is continually assessed when on UC so people on benefits for mental health aren't on them for long.

Again, a third of those benefits are in work, and many of those will be those with mental health. So how does this fit your generalisation that "they stay at home and claim they're unfit to work?"
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s a balancing act. A mid-sized power such as the UK should look for allies of comparable stature and (although I hate the term) ‘shared values’ - democracy, rule of law etc., shared heritage - Canada, Australia and geographical location namely Europe. What happens on the continent we live on directly impacts the UK and we need to safeguard our own backyard in conjunction with other European countries.

I agree that nothing is forever, political winds change and allies can become ‘unreliable’ which is why no country will drop its guard entirely. But when it comes to Europe it is obvious that we are stronger and safer as a collective rather than as individual nations, because we are simply not large enough individually. Countries have always sought out alliances and partnerships to protect themselves and magnify influence, as a species it is hardwired into us from groups, tribes, nations to multi-country alliances.
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We have become a tiny island alone, as witnessed by that horrible Johnson moment when the EU members totally disowned him. Alliances have always been part of a protection policy, and good to see the current government fucking the old bollox off and getting closer to our nearest friends.
 
mosssideblue said:
Totally agree, so wondered where the £1500 figure came from
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If a person is over 25 and classed as having limited capability for work and related activities then they get about 850 per month on Universal Credit. They can also get PIP in addition to that as it doesn't effect the Universal Credit. So the figure might be from that situation.
 
mackenzie said:
If a person is over 25 and classed as having limited capability for work and related activities then they get about 850 per month on Universal Credit. They can also get PIP in addition to that as it doesn't effect the Universal Credit. So the figure might be from that situation.
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He knows he's 24 and visibly pissed in public all the time, which is good going for someone with maximum disability payments, the recipents of which are the most disabled that can barely move without assistance.
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s a balancing act. A mid-sized power such as the UK should look for allies of comparable stature and (although I hate the term) ‘shared values’ - democracy, rule of law etc., shared heritage - Canada, Australia and geographical location namely Europe. What happens on the continent we live on directly impacts the UK and we need to safeguard our own backyard in conjunction with other European countries.

I agree that nothing is forever, political winds change and allies can become ‘unreliable’ which is why no country will drop its guard entirely. But when it comes to Europe it is obvious that we are stronger and safer as a collective rather than as individual nations, because we are simply not large enough individually. Countries have always sought out alliances and partnerships to protect themselves and magnify influence, as a species it is hardwired into us from groups, tribes, nations to multi-country alliances.
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Suppose that would depend who favours Russia this year for example, your view of a collective Europe doesn't really exist.
 

My mates missus says this is what happens all the time, government say they are going to prosecute these people, I’d say it’s time to fuck off these loopholes, sorry but it’s bullshit.
 
mackenzie said:
If a person is over 25 and classed as having limited capability for work and related activities then they get about 850 per month on Universal Credit. They can also get PIP in addition to that as it doesn't effect the Universal Credit. So the figure might be from that situation.
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Can they not also claim up to around £350 a month for mobility element of PIP?
 
mackenzie said:
If a person is over 25 and classed as having limited capability for work and related activities then they get about 850 per month on Universal Credit. They can also get PIP in addition to that as it doesn't effect the Universal Credit. So the figure might be from that situation.
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Could be but the poster did say he’s 24. I’m not disputing the basis of what he’s saying but the figures might be incorrect?

Either way, wherever one stands politically situations like that are understandably going to cause frustration amongst those who work, don’t claim anything, and get taxed to the hilt.

I’d be interested to know what he’s claiming PIP for. I appreciate that one can work and get PIP but I’d have thought there would need to be quite a high bar to claim it if working. I’ve posted before that my other half doesn’t work because she suffers from chronic abdominal pain as a result of a botched operation at Tameside hospital and some years later had a brain haemorrhage, and the after effects of both will be with her for the rest of her life, yet after each incident she put a claim in for PIP and was refused.
 
M18CTID said:
Could be but the poster did say he’s 24. I’m not disputing the basis of what he’s saying but the figures might be incorrect?

Either way, wherever one stands politically situations like that are understandably going to cause frustration amongst those who work, don’t claim anything, and get taxed to the hilt.

I’d be interested to know what he’s claiming PIP for. I appreciate that one can work and get PIP but I’d have thought there would need to be quite a high bar to claim it if working. I’ve posted before that my other half doesn’t work because she suffers from chronic abdominal pain as a result of a botched operation at Tameside hospital and some years later had a brain haemorrhage, and the after effects of both will be with her for the rest of her life, yet after each incident she put a claim in for PIP and was refused.
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It does seem to be a lottery or knowing the system as to who gets it, the missus’ father and his wife do very well out of it both late 80’s (claimed before pension age) both get state pension, full pip, mobility on top and claim as each others carers.
 
mackenzie said:
If a person is over 25 and classed as having limited capability for work and related activities then they get about 850 per month on Universal Credit. They can also get PIP in addition to that as it doesn't effect the Universal Credit. So the figure might be from that situation.
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Yes it was. The total of his benefits was £1500 a month. And all of his rent and council tax was also paid.
 
SMB75 said:
Far to many milking the system and playing the "mental health" card.
I'll open up I have had my own MH problems which at times has out me on the brink. I do understand the issues, especially with single men.
But I find work helps, being around people. But far too many are not prepared to face the world, adapt and put some effort in and go to work.
They stay at home and claim they are unfit to work. This is one of the fundamental problems that need sorting out. It's far too easy for them to be wrote off and thus become a burden to the tax payer.
And sadly thousands of young adults are signed off this way, many citing the pandemic which ended 5 years ago as messing them up. Where is the resilience? Where is the drive in some of these people?

I'm sorry don't agree.
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Which bit of the facts don't you agree with....again?
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Yes it was. The total of his benefits was £1500 a month. And all of his rent and council tax was also paid.
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To get that amount he would be having assessments every couple of years and have to show he was severely disabled mentally and physically. He'd also need medical evidence from consultants.

Pip is the hardest benefit to get and keep.

He might be on some benefits but I doubt that amount.
 
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