The Labour Party

[Rascal]

Spot on I send my son to a private school, I am amazed it isn’t bentleys and rolls Royce’s ,it’s hardworking parents making sacrifices to spend their spare cash on something worthwhile their kids education.

But at the moment I pay for my son to school ( just a private day school in Manchester, it’s not eton ) , but if Jeremy wants to pay to educate my son and everyone else’s kid as well then fine if he has the money. That extra money I have I will spunk on a Rolex and a flash car seems much better for society

Wouldn't it be great if every kid got an Eton education for free.

That should be the goal of any government, whatever the party in power.

The problem with education is it is not seen as investment, it is investment in the countries future and if you had a Chancellor who actually thought about it this way then it could be done.

If you are paying private I have no problem with that, but ask yourself why cant your kid have an amazing education without you paying, because all you are doing is negating the governments responsibility to its citizens and to your own kids.

 

[Rascal]

Well at least Diane Abbott and Shami Chakrabarti got their kids through private schools.

No doubt some will see this as hypocrisy but I don't blame them, all I ask of them is to influence the government into making sure every kid has the opportunity of a great education.

Equality of opportunity should be the clarion call of every MP regardless of political persuasion.

 

[BobKowalski]

The rich pay their taxes on top of paying their private school fees.

How does this in any way invest much needed money into the state school system?

Ok it’s not about money. I’m talking personal investment. You want your kid to have the best and if he has to go to State school then you want your kid to have the best education he can get. If you also have a local business in the area that employs people you have sway with the council and the local MP . It means you can lobby better than the single mum who also happens to be an employee of yours. It’s about a community that works for the community, not those who can afford it opting out, sending Johnny to a top private school and sod the rest.

Society works when everyone has a stake in it. It’s about trying to bend the rules back in favour of the little guy. The big guy doesn’t need a bunch of little guys on the Internet rushing to his defence whenever someone mentions helping people out, be It menopause treatment for women or letting someone other than a **** from Eton be PM.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Well at least Diane Abbott and Shami Chakrabarti got their kids through private schools.

No shame !

 

[Rascal]

Society works when everyone has a stake in it. .

This is so true, its why I am against people being taken out of tax, if you pay in you have a stake. When Thatcher said "there is no such thing as society" that was an horrendous mistake as it empowered the notion of individualism over the collective. Humanity has always thrived because it works as a collective, imagine if the man who invented the wheel had not met the man who invented the cart, that is collectivism, that is society.

If you have a stake, you will be more likely to look out for each other and do the best for your fellow man, with individualism you look out for yourself as it is inherently selfish.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Good policy, if the richest have to send their offspring to the same schools as the working class, they will be funded properly because the richest will demand it and every kid will benefit rather than the monied elite.

You talk like this could ever happen... we’ll all be eating Borscht next... when I read the comment I laughed.. then started to see tweets from people in support of it... i’m Gobsmacked.. I really am

 

[Bluemanc100]

I would describe myself as left-wing but my daughter would be off to private schools in a flash if I could afford it and get a place

Small class sizes, a more motivated pupil and it seems they promote presentation skills and confidence/entitlement.

No one in the well off working class or affluent middle-class will vote for this because people would like to send their kids to PS if possible

Labour need to concentrate on getting in power where they can make some real changes rather than gimmicks

From what i’ve seen this weekend coming out of their conference I think you may have quite a wait

 

[Rascal]

You talk like this could ever happen... we’ll all be eating Borscht next... when I read the comment I laughed.. then started to see tweets from people in support of it... i’m Gobsmacked.. I really am

So you are happy for your kids to get a poorer education than a rich kid.

Fair enough if you find that funny

 

[andyhinch]

So you are happy for your kids to get a poorer education than a rich kid.

Fair enough if you find that funny

I got lucky, my school was approved

 

[Bluemanc100]

So you are happy for your kids to get a poorer education than a rich kid.

Fair enough if you find that funny

My kids went to a state school... both decided not to go to university though we had offered to support it.. one is a company director at 25, the eldest an RAF engineer who will leave in around 5 years with all his civilian aircraft licenses and likely double his salary as a Civvy

Both the boys are getting married this year and their fiancées both went to uni... both graduated yet both are in lowly vocational jobs with the debt hanging...

Education is not the be all and end all.. a strong family unit and good advice is also key... i’m bloody proud of both our son’s but have zero against families who can afford private schools or the university route..

Banning private schools is another example of how deluded comrade Corbyn and his disciples are... as is their remain policy...

They’ll win fuck all unless there is a root and branch cull.... it’s laughable when the likes of Corbyn and Abbot (who surely has dirt on him to keep her role) either went to private school or sent their kids there.. how can you not think it’s hypocritical???

The more whacky the policies the further they are from government I hope... if they do get in we’ll be totally fucked

 

[Rascal]

My kids went to a state school... both decided not to go to university though we had offered to support it.. one is a company director at 25, the eldest an RAF engineer who will leave in around 5 years with all his civilian aircraft licenses and likely double his salary as a Civvy

Both the boys are getting married this year and their fiancées both went to uni... both graduated yet both are in lowly vocational jobs with the debt hanging...

Education is not the be all and end all.. a strong family unit and good advice is also key... i’m bloody proud of both our son’s but have zero against families who can afford private schools or the university route..

Banning private schools is another example of how deluded comrade Corbyn and his disciples are... as is their remain policy...

They’ll win fuck all unless there is a root and branch cull.... it’s laughable when the likes of Corbyn and Abbot (who surely has dirt on him to keep her role) either went to private school or sent their kids there.. how can you not think it’s hypocritical???

The more whacky the policies the further they are from government I hope... if they do get in we’ll be totally fucked

Well done to your kids, you must be very proud of them and rightly so.

I don't think anybody sending their kids to a private school is hypocritical, they are doing what is right for their kids and I would do the same, however what I am saying is there should never be a need for private schools as every school should offer an education equivalent to the likes of Eton. It is an investment in the future for the good of the nation, but it is not seen as investment, it is seen as a provision and that is the wrong way to look at it.

If every kid got the very best education we could provide, it would reduce the productivity gap that exists as a highly educated workforce is better equipped to deal with the needs we will have in the future. That surely is common sense.

No kid should have a poor education just because they cant afford it, every kid should have the opportunity to make the very best of whatever ability they possess.

You may think that is laughable, whacky or whatever, but that view only entrenches the elite in the hierarchy and that is to the detriment of the 90 odd percent who don't get the chance of the best education on offer. Every kid should get an education like they receive at Eton.

As a nation we have to look at why the nation is so unequal, why wealth is so concentrated and why we have a growing underclass of people, a decent quality education is a start and why would anybody not want what is the very best education on offer for their kids in order to give them the best chances in life.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is so true, its why I am against people being taken out of tax, if you pay in you have a stake. When Thatcher said "there is no such thing as society" that was an horrendous mistake as it empowered the notion of individualism over the collective. Humanity has always thrived because it works as a collective, imagine if the man who invented the wheel had not met the man who invented the cart, that is collectivism, that is society.

If you have a stake, you will be more likely to look out for each other and do the best for your fellow man, with individualism you look out for yourself as it is inherently selfish.

Yeah although I was child of Thatcher working in the City in the eighties and nineties, greed is good and all that. Walked away from it after two decades and spent the next two doing my own thing and becoming more left wing the older I get. But I’m more of a ‘capitalism needs a major reset’ rather than an old school socialist like yourself :)

 

[urban genie]

I see more frothing at the mouth as per with no knowledge of the motion passed.

All this means is public schools will no longer get charitable status or tax breaks (which they shouldn't anyway).
Will come under the remit of the education system at local level (they do at national level anyway now).
Will have to account for property owned and it's purpose.
Universities have to have a fairer entry system that doesn't favour public school preference.

They are not being abolished as the clickbait headlines suggest, just being brought into the education system and made to play by the rules every other school does.


Also Ofsted is shite and the idea of changing it is a good one.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Well done to your kids, you must be very proud of them and rightly so.

I don't think anybody sending their kids to a private school is hypocritical, they are doing what is right for their kids and I would do the same, however what I am saying is there should never be a need for private schools as every school should offer an education equivalent to the likes of Eton. It is an investment in the future for the good of the nation, but it is not seen as investment, it is seen as a provision and that is the wrong way to look at it.

If every kid got the very best education we could provide, it would reduce the productivity gap that exists as a highly educated workforce is better equipped to deal with the needs we will have in the future. That surely is common sense.

No kid should have a poor education just because they cant afford it, every kid should have the opportunity to make the very best of whatever ability they possess.

You may think that is laughable, whacky or whatever, but that view only entrenches the elite in the hierarchy and that is to the detriment of the 90 odd percent who don't get the chance of the best education on offer. Every kid should get an education like they receive at Eton.

As a nation we have to look at why the nation is so unequal, why wealth is so concentrated and why we have a growing underclass of people, a decent quality education is a start and why would anybody not want what is the very best education on offer for their kids in order to give them the best chances in life.

What’s hypocritical Rascal is doing it then campaigning foe others to lose that right... it’s pretty unbelievable .. now to read the rest of the reply

Edit.. i’ve read it and wonder if you looking for some sort of Nirvana... we can’t all be equal... if this is what you believe communism will give to us then I make you wrong... have a look at the Soviet Union... it’s bent as fuck with huge divisions between rich and poor possibly worse than in our country but we can all dream eh....

 

[Chippy_boy]

"We are the masters now"

Of the party.

And therefore of circa 1% of the electorate, the vast majority of whom regard you as twats.

You are the Tories' greatest gift.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You missed it because thats not the policy - Labour wants to remove charitable status, tax advantages and exemption from business rates for fee paying school - I applaud them. How can there be social mobility when the wealthy send their kids to subsidised fee paying schools?

What tripe.

'paying less tax" is NOT a subsidy.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Every working class man and woman should agree with this.

Here’s a quote from the original Clause IV:

"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

Its the bedrock of a humane society that every working man gets the full fruit of his labour, after all for a working man it is all he has to sell.

They already do.

And what about the "common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange" bollocks?

No point in arguing with you, you are 100% wrong in your beliefs and I waste no more time on you. Goodbye

 

[Rascal]

What’s hypocritical Rascal is doing it then campaigning foe others to lose that right... it’s pretty unbelievable .. now to read the rest of the reply

Edit.. i’ve read it and wonder if you looking for some sort of Nirvana... we can’t all be equal... if this is what you believe communism will give to us then I make you wrong... have a look at the Soviet Union... it’s bent as fuck with huge divisions between rich and poor possibly worse than in our country but we can all dream eh....

I don't look at the Soviet Union and see Communism, that is a wrong headed argument, a lot on here will like it though.

I look at it as rather than campaigning for some to lose their rights they are campaigning for the many to receive those rights. That right being the right to the best education possible for every kid regardless of income.

Now you think that will make people equal, that is a long held fallacy about Socialism and it is a confusion between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. They are entirely different things. We don't have to be equal in outcome, but it is inherently fair that we are equal in opportunity. Given that opportunity there will always be those who use it better because they are naturally brighter, but what it does is give the poor bright kids as much opportunity as the rich bright kids. That is all.

Everybody wants the best education for their kids, at the moment the best education is reserved for those who have the means to afford it, that in my humble opinion is wrong,
because to put it in simple terms, we are wasting a lot of kids abilities and that has a detrimental effect on the nation as a whole. In this country it is better for a kid if they are thick and rich than if they are poor and clever. That is absolute madness.

 

[bluethrunthru]

What tripe.

'paying less tax" is NOT a subsidy.

Pray explain. Charitable status - no business rates many many advantages for the advantaged few - how do you think they benefit? You , me everybody pays tax that goes into education amongst other things yet only certain schools and certain school pupils parents benefit from tax breaks

 

[Chippy_boy]

The idea is for the rich to have to invest in the state system for the benefit of everyone rather than creating enclaves. The average fee is around £16,500 a year so it is way beyond the means of most if even if you aspire to send your kid to private school.

Also the number of Prime Ministers we elect who, by sheer coincidence, went to Eton means I would vote to abolish that particular stain on our public life in a heartbeat.

Maybe it's because very rich people tend to be quite bright, and when sending them to an excellent school which provides the kids with not only an enxcellent education, bur also tremendous confidence and leadership skills, they tend to do well.

But never mind Bob. The chip sits comfortably on your shoulder. No need to remove it