The Labour Party

[Chippy_boy]

What do you mean 25% of our workforce is being made redundant? Down with the elites!

Honestly mate, it's absolutely pathetic isn't it. That grown adults can regard the nonsense coming out of Labour as being even vaguely sensible. It beggars belief.

 

[BobKowalski]

Especially as Mcdonnell has a history of offering insurrection, calls for riots on the streets, illegal strikes, kangaroo parliaments etc etc etc.

He's even the man who decided the gavel in Parliament needed a good swing..

Pfft. We leave that sort of incitement to the Prime Minister these days.

 

[BobKowalski]

Honestly mate, it's absolutely pathetic isn't it. That grown adults can regard the nonsense coming out of Labour as being even vaguely sensible. It beggars belief.

You should have seen the arguments that raged when Henry Ford opted for a five day working week with no change in pay. Absolute scenes.

And for what it’s worth a number of countries and companies have been trialing four day working weeks. As yet civilisation hasn’t ground to a halt. I think a bit less foaming at the mouth and a bit more reasoned argument might not go amiss.

 

[hammocity]

My wife informs me the great John McDonnell is now promising a maxium 32 hour working week, with no loss of pay. So a 25% increase on your hourly rate of pay for EVERYONE.

Yippeeeeee. The man's a genius I tell you.

If only he hadn't gone further and made it just the 1 hour a week and we could spend all our days down the Labour club drinking Strongbow.

fuck that, no way am I working 32 hours

 

[The perfect fumble]

Barn storming stuff from McDonnell.

Nice tribute to Corbyn.

Civil war my arse!

 

[George Hannah]

Oh! Georgie stop it.
You are a bright fella, don't make yourself like silly

Not enough kill the poor for your taste?

As lifelong supporters I do genuinely understand your affection for this Socialist saviour - McDonnell's peroration left his comrades predictably in tears as he embraced Jezza to the strains of 'A Change Gonna Come'. My question is simply why you think the electorate won't see straight past the red vision to the inevitable reality McCluskey is grinning about off camera.

 

[hammocity]

What do you mean 25% of our workforce is being made redundant? Down with the elites!

32 hours a week at a tenner per hour, £320 won’t go that far when Business’s have to increase prices to pay for the 25% wage hike.

 

[The perfect fumble]

As lifelong supporters I do genuinely understand your affection for this Socialist saviour - McDonnell's peroration left his comrades predictably in tears as he embraced Jezza to the strains of 'A Change Gonna Come'. My question is simply why you think the electorate won't see straight past the red vision to the inevitable reality McCluskey is grinning about off camera.

Because they're not cynical fucks.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Yet the sources I am quoting are Gove and Hammond. Both Tories last time I looked. Hammond wanted to abolish the schools tax exempt status to help fund free school dinners for all. We have already established that nourishment is literally food for the brain so what is the objection to feeding children to help concentration levels in class vs tax breaks for rich people? Seems a reasonable compromise. You can afford the fees and the tax raised helps all children and your kid still gets a private education. What’s the issue here?

Well first, nice to see you dropped the "private school teachers shouldn't get a state pension" bullshit. That was bloody offensive and very very silly, wasn't it.

My beef with it, Bob, is that people already have to pay a fucking fortune to send their kids to private school. And whilst there are a few loaded toffs to whom money is no object, there are thousands of people who are not so lucky and who scrimp and save and make all sorts of sacrifices to be able to afford it. I know MANY such people, and if I had kids - I do not - that would probably be the situation I found myself in.

Your proposals would inevitably push up fees even higher and make it unaffordable for decent hard-working people who of their free volition wish to make these life compromises for their kids.

And of course Corbyn, given half a chance, will make it worse. Because he wants to tax them more as well.

If I had my way, I'd give tax relief on private education AND private healthcare contributions. The state should be encouraging people who can stand on their own two feet, to not rely on state services. At the moment, we do the exact opposite.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Because they're not cynical fucks.

Good luck with that as a strategy.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Good luck with that as a strategy.

You on the other hand....

 

[Chippy_boy]

You should have seen the arguments that raged when Henry Ford opted for a five day working week with no change in pay. Absolute scenes.

And for what it’s worth a number of countries and companies have been trialing four day working weeks. As yet civilisation hasn’t ground to a halt. I think a bit less foaming at the mouth and a bit more reasoned argument might not go amiss.

Perhaps you should take a gander at Labour's record on unemployment.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You on the other hand....

... support a party with broadly sensible policies. A party which has won the last three general elections and shows no signs of losing the next one.

(Caveat emptor regarding Brexit, obviously!)

 

[inbetween]

32 hours a week at a tenner per hour, £320 won’t go that far when Business’s have to increase prices to pay for the 25% wage hike.

Runaway inflation is the hallmark of socialist economics. What's next, nationalising Tesco?

Considering how much the £ has devalued in recent years then I hope you all have your wallets ready for inspection!

 

[Chippy_boy]

What's next, nationalising Tesco?

Why on earth not? Is not the availability of affordable food AT LEAST as important as the provision of a rail infrastructure and utilities infrastructure?

If you are going to nationalise the energy companies and the railways (and the banks, when they can get around to it) then the big retailers should logically be fair game.

Idiotic policies from the idiot party.

 

[Rascal]

As lifelong supporters I do genuinely understand your affection for this Socialist saviour - McDonnell's peroration left his comrades predictably in tears as he embraced Jezza to the strains of 'A Change Gonna Come'. My question is simply why you think the electorate won't see straight past the red vision to the inevitable reality McCluskey is grinning about off camera.

I refer you to the reply gave by the right honourable Mr Fumble

 

[jimharri]

It's Michael Mansfield QC. He's suggesting that a new "ecocide" law needs to be brought in to prevent the "wilful destruction of nature". In a speech to be delivered at Labour's party conference in Brighton on Monday, Mr Mansfield will say: "I think when we look at the damage eating meat is doing to the planet it is not preposterous to think that one day it will become illegal."

While he might mean very well in what he proposes (it's in all our interests to do our bit towards protecting the planet) isn't this the sort of thing that would put off "ordinary" people (whatever they are) from voting Labour? It would be seen as "loony left" thinking. And I'm assuming that, as he's giving the speech at the party conference, his speech at least must have been vetted and approved by the party hierarchy.

 

[Chippy_boy]

While he might mean very well in what he proposes (it's in all our interests to do our bit towards protecting the planet) isn't this the sort of thing that would put off "ordinary" people (whatever they are) from voting Labour? It would be seen as "loony left" thinking. And I'm assuming that, as he's giving the speech at the party conference, his speech at least must have been vetted and approved by the party hierarchy.

Well they are loonies, so I can only assume it has their full support.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well first, nice to see you dropped the "private school teachers shouldn't get a state pension" bullshit. That was bloody offensive and very very silly, wasn't it.

My beef with it, Bob, is that people already have to pay a fucking fortune to send their kids to private school. And whilst there are a few loaded toffs to whom money is no object, there are thousands of people who are not so lucky and who scrimp and save and make all sorts of sacrifices to be able to afford it. I know MANY such people, and if I had kids - I do not - that would probably be the situation I found myself in.

Your proposals would inevitably push up fees even higher and make it unaffordable for decent hard-working people who of their free volition wish to make these life compromises for their kids.

And of course Corbyn, given half a chance, will make it worse. Because he wants to tax them more as well.

If I had my way, I'd give tax relief on private education AND private healthcare contributions. The state should be encouraging people who can stand on their own two feet, to not rely on state services. At the moment, we do the exact opposite.

Incorrect. Teachers in the private sector should get a company pension or access to a company scheme as most of us do and receive the usual state pension as again we all do. Private schools save on this by not providing a private scheme as there is a separate State scheme for teachers. In effect a private company is optioning out of their obligation to provide a work place scheme and relying on the state. This workplace subsidy is my beef.

Providing tax breaks and State subsidies for the well off to send their kids to private schools is not sustainable nor is it equitable. Tories like Gove and Hammond know this, which is probably why the Tories will be the ones to end them just as it was Thatcher who put the final knife into Grammar schools.

And no you do not penalise the children of the less well off to subsidise the education and healthcare of the well off. That is how revolutions start. We can at least aspire to be a meritocracy rather then entrenching an oligarchy.

 

[cibaman]

The problem is the Overton window is so far rightwards currently that to drag it back towards to the left you have to go to the extremes to test the acceptability of what you are offering.

An example would be a motion saying we want to tax Oujakapivins at 60% rather than 40% and then settle at 50%, because the 50% is acceptable, but by trying for the 60% you have dragged it away from the 40% to closer than you want.

This is the world of politics, the extremes rarely make good policy, but serve to highlight that something closer to that policy might well be a great idea.

Whilst that may work at a Labour Party conference, I don’t think it’s a sensible approach going into a general election