The Labour Party

[Rascal]

Just been searching for him and for some reason I am blocked :))

I don't ever remember seeing him before, obviously he wasn't attracted to my charm

 

[SWP's back]

Good for them.

Morning mate :)

Morning, you see it’s shit like this that puts me in a huge dilemma.

I don’t want Brexit and that’s hugely important to me so I want to vote Labour but then they want to end freedom of choice on education and do away with public schools so it means I would find it very difficult to put a cross in that box.

 

[Rascal]

Morning, you see it’s shit like this that puts me in a huge dilemma.

I don’t want Brexit and that’s hugely important to me so I want to vote Labour but then they want to end freedom of choice on education and do away with public schools so it means I would find it very difficult to put a cross in that box.

like everything pal, you weigh up the pros and cons, see what suits your ideology, check it suits your needs, then vote Labour :))

No political party ever truly represents a persons full wants and desires, even my beloved Labour Party have and will do things I will profoundly disagree with and the Tories who I despise will do the odd thing I think is really good. So prioritise and hope for the best, as it happens I don't think Labour will end freedom of choice in education. I think that was an Overton window moving idea that will probably end up as meaning removal of charitable status rather than outright abolition.

 

[Turks Head Again]

Oh! A person with real life experiences from a sink council estate, fancy that.

I suppose you much rather have an old white man who ran a hedge fund.

I'm from a council estate and I have real life experiences.
I'd rather see a chimpanzee in a dipper shirt run the country than any of the current labour lot.

 

[Rascal]

I'm from a council estate and I have real life experiences.
I'd rather see a chimpanzee in a dipper shirt run the country than any of the current labour lot.

The chimp in the dipper shirt would be better than Johnson.

 

[west didsblue]

No proof of lying .
Was you there ?
We're the supreme judges there ?
Illegal and unlawful are 2 totally different things.
Show me the proof of lying. . Ie a video obviously you don't have one.
Read and understand the English dictionary then come back.
Fucking Labour.
How old are you ? 18 ?

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/times-boris-johnson-flat-lied-277588
And the headline is wrong. There’s plenty more blatant lies. Some of the recent ones that stick in the mind relate to Manx kippers, Melton Mowbray pies and socks, all trivial in themselves but part of the bigger picture of telling clear lies all the time to further his agenda. None of his lies could be described as simple errors or misunderstandings. He’s gone out of his way to make shit up.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I can't understand why 'lying' seems to be the prerogative (see what I did there?) of Boris when it's the first fall back of any politician. Remember Paxo - Why is this lying bastard lying to me? If a politician told me today was Wednesday I'd have a quick look to confirm!

The more this fuckin' jamboree continues the more you see what shitehawks there are in Parliament - Boris, Jezzer, the Speaker, JakeRM? Would anybody buy a second-hand electric bike from these people?

 

[cibaman]

McDonnell will also be linked to a paramilitary group of Marxists based in Red Square who have a direct line to a chemical weapons factory. As a token of his support he has a Vat full of Novichok stored at Jeremy Corbyn's allotment which confirms the suspicions he cheated in the community giant vegetables competition.

Diane Abbott is black - That's enough of a slur for them to use to pacify their audience.

Angela Rayner is a thick Ginger Manc who skipped school once making her unfit to be education secretary.

Laura Pidcock is far too Northern.

Keir Starmer is a raging Europhile who hates his country.

Tom Watson should be leader and is being held hostage by momentum.

I'm sure LP headquarters have planned for every slur and scenario.

So far Corbyn and the party have played Chess whilst the Tories play monopoly. Labour are so close to checkmate you can feel it. Being the left though we do have a knack of typical city moments.

Now I know why Labour are doing so badly in the polls. They’re playing chess. Never did trust chess players

 

[blueinsa]

McDonnell will also be linked to a paramilitary group of Marxists based in Red Square who have a direct line to a chemical weapons factory. As a token of his support he has a Vat full of Novichok stored at Jeremy Corbyn's allotment which confirms the suspicions he cheated in the community giant vegetables competition.

Diane Abbott is black - That's enough of a slur for them to use to pacify their audience.

Angela Rayner is a thick Ginger Manc who skipped school once making her unfit to be education secretary.

Laura Pidcock is far too Northern.

Keir Starmer is a raging Europhile who hates his country.

Tom Watson should be leader and is being held hostage by momentum.

I'm sure LP headquarters have planned for every slur and scenario.

So far Corbyn and the party have played Chess whilst the Tories play monopoly. Labour are so close to checkmate you can feel it. Being the left though we do have a knack of typical city moments.

You're going to be so disappointed.

Parliament is desperate to get rid of Boris yet equally adamant that they will not put Corbyn in charge and that includes many of his own MP's.

Labour could clean up no problem but wont because they simply will not get rid of the dead weight anchor around its neck.

 

[Rascal]

I can't understand why 'lying' seems to be the prerogative (see what I did there?) of Boris when it's the first fall back of any politician. Remember Paxo - Why is this lying bastard lying to me? If a politician told me today was Wednesday I'd have a quick look to confirm!

The more this fuckin' jamboree continues the more you see what shitehawks there are in Parliament - Boris, Jezzer, the Speaker, JakeRM? Would anybody buy a second-hand electric bike from these people?

And the more the trust in politicians breaks down, the more the likelihood of a Fascist State.

You eradicate trust in democracy, you eradicate democracy full stop. Thank fuck we have a supreme court willing to stand up for the democratic process

This started with the Telegraphs expenses scandal and the trust began to wain, from then on certain parts of the media have waged an almost non stop assault on democracy. When you see headlines calling the judiciary (one of the three pillars of accountability) traitors it further eradicates trust. Then all the nonsense about where sovereignty lies has also added to the eradication of trust, people actually believed our Parliament was not sovereign, thankfully the judiciary saw it as right and proper to re-establish the notion that Parliament is sovereign, not the executive. Brexit has been extremely damaging to trust, a referendum handed power away from Parliament and we can witness the results of that act of utter stupidity.

I firmly believe that no MP stands for Parliament to do bad things and that does not matter what party they represent, sadly the problems that have arisen through Brexit has only exacerbated the trust problem. Voters expect them to act as delegates rather than representatives and there is simply no constitutional basis for that to happen. All these cries of will of the people is further nonsense from people who should know better.

I am not a conspiracy theorist but if I ever wanted to create a fascist state in the UK then I would have followed the exact route that we have followed, destabilise democracy, eradicate trust in politicians and claim to represent the will of the people. Oswald Moseley comes to mind with his British Union of Fascists.

 

[Saddleworth2]

And the more the trust in politicians breaks down, the more the likelihood of a Fascist State.

You eradicate trust in democracy, you eradicate democracy full stop. Thank fuck we have a supreme court willing to stand up for the democratic process

This started with the Telegraphs expenses scandal and the trust began to wain, from then on certain parts of the media have waged an almost non stop assault on democracy. When you see headlines calling the judiciary (one of the three pillars of accountability) traitors it further eradicates trust. Then all the nonsense about where sovereignty lies has also added to the eradication of trust, people actually believed our Parliament was not sovereign, thankfully the judiciary saw it as right and proper to re-establish the notion that Parliament is sovereign, not the executive. Brexit has been extremely damaging to trust, a referendum handed power away from Parliament and we can witness the results of that act of utter stupidity.

I firmly believe that no MP stands for Parliament to do bad things and that does not matter what party they represent, sadly the problems that have arisen through Brexit has only exacerbated the trust problem. Voters expect them to act as delegates rather than representatives and there is simply no constitutional basis for that to happen. All these cries of will of the people is further nonsense from people who should know better.

I am not a conspiracy theorist but if I ever wanted to create a fascist state in the UK then I would have followed the exact route that we have followed, destabilise democracy, eradicate trust in politicians and claim to represent the will of the people. Oswald Moseley comes to mind with his British Union of Fascists.

Another excellent post.
I listened to the High Court ruling in the car yesterday and for the first time in a while, I thought there was a bright light shining through all this murk. It’s so easy to criticise politicians but the vast majority are trying to do right. That can’t be easy with the current pressures but a great deal of what we have seen over the last year has occurred because we are a living breathing sovereign democracy.
The current cabinet are an exception though. I thought Johnson would be a disaster and if anything he has outdone himself. The sooner he is vomited out of government and public life the better.

 

[Rascal]

Another excellent post.
I listened to the High Court ruling in the car yesterday and for the first time in a while, I thought there was a bright light shining through all this murk. It’s so easy to criticise politicians but the vast majority are trying to do right. That can’t be easy with the current pressures but a great deal of what we have seen over the last year has occurred because we are a living breathing sovereign democracy.
The current cabinet are an exception though. I thought Johnson would be a disaster and if anything he has outdone himself. The sooner he is vomited out of government and public life the better.

As affirmed yesterday by the Supreme Court, the legislature must have the right to hold the executive to account. This is a basic pillar of our democracy and it was good to hear it from the Justices. Johnsons actions were scandalous and he should resign and take Mogg with him.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Yeah but your opinion is part of the -70% approval rating that in turn makes you dissaprove of him.

And after reading all the things labour wish to do in government compared to what we have had foisted upon us by the tories, you then are helping labour to the loss you predict and the country carry on being fucked over, just because "you don't like corbyn".

This is bigger than one person, this is about the countries future, the UK is about party politics not personalities.

I was an early adopter of the view that Corbyn is a useless nob and a massive step backwards. But to be clear it is not him personally - it is the quirky extremes of the party that back him. Many of them utter morons.

He is the figure head for the wacky fringe left - and i'm not even sure he is in full control. They have turned Labour in to exactly the kind of incompetent shit show I expected. There policies are a bunch of expensive pet projects and the shadow cabinet is selected from the bottom quartile of competence within the PLP. They are in no way a unified party and have no joined up vision for how to unite the country. They are a fucking horror show.

I'd take them over the Tories as the above being in power is less damaging than a Tory brexit. My hope is that Lib Dems win enough seats and remain win enough seats that no party has an overall majority and some sensible exit from brexit can be implemented.

 

[Indaparkside]

As affirmed yesterday by the Supreme Court, the legislature must have the right to hold the executive to account. This is a basic pillar of our democracy and it was good to hear it from the Justices. Johnsons actions were scandalous and he should resign and take Mogg with him.

Infact they all should fuck off:)

 

[blueinsa]

I was an early adopted of the view that Corbyn is a useless nob and a massive step backwards. But to be clear it is not him personally - it is the quirky extremes of the party that back him. Many of them utter morons.

He is the figure head for the wacky fringe left - and i'm not even sure he is in full control. They have turned Labour in to exactly the kind of incompetent shit show I expected. There policies are a bunch of expensive pet projects and the shadow cabinet is selected from the bottom quartile of competence within the PLP. They are in no way a unified party and have no joined up vision for how to unite the country. They are a fucking horror show.

I'd take them over the Tories as the above being in power is less damaging than a Tory brexit. My hope is that Lib Dems win enough seats and remain win enough seats that no party has an overall majority and some sensible exit from brexit can be implemented.

We disagree on brexit but on this you are 100% correct and I am in total agreement.

No one wants Boris as PM but then the SNP, the LIb Dems, PC, the DUP and even a proportion of his own PLP dont want Corbyn in charge.

Its because he isn't capable and neither are his shadow cabinet who are largely appalling and devoid of any political skill whatsoever.

The country likes him even less.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

We disagree on brexit but on this you are 100% correct and I am in total agreement.

No one wants Boris as PM but then the SNP, the LIb Dems, PC, the DUP and even a proportion of his own PLP dont want Corbyn in charge.

Its because he isn't capable and neither are his shadow cabinet who are largely appalling and devoid of any political skill whatsoever.

The country likes him even less.

Thanks x

 

[Rascal]

I was an early adopter of the view that Corbyn is a useless nob and a massive step backwards. But to be clear it is not him personally - it is the quirky extremes of the party that back him. Many of them utter morons.

He is the figure head for the wacky fringe left - and i'm not even sure he is in full control. They have turned Labour in to exactly the kind of incompetent shit show I expected. There policies are a bunch of expensive pet projects and the shadow cabinet is selected from the bottom quartile of competence within the PLP. They are in no way a unified party and have no joined up vision for how to unite the country. They are a fucking horror show.

I'd take them over the Tories as the above being in power is less damaging than a Tory brexit. My hope is that Lib Dems win enough seats and remain win enough seats that no party has an overall majority and some sensible exit from brexit can be implemented.

Nice, I am a moron from the fringe of the whacky left :))

And I think Corbyn is too right wing.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The one thing that parliamentarians do is the minute they are elected they remove the 'demos' from democracy and are more than happy to maintain the 'kratos' bit. It's all very well but it doesn't take a genius to see that the politicians' idea of democracy should only lie with them. They are there as servants of the people. Unfortunately, 'the people' have dealt them a shit hand and they are now desperately trying to get rid of the pack of cards they're using and start a game of Ludo!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Nice, I am a moron from the fringe of the whacky left :))

And I think Corbyn is too right wing.

It's nice to see people owning there shit.

I'm part of the -70% disapproval rating and one of Labours lost remainer voters. My MP defected from Labour because of the views of people like me.

I own it.

 

[Rascal]

The one thing that parliamentarians do is the minute they are elected they remove the 'demos' from democracy and are more than happy to maintain the 'kratos' bit. It's all very well but it doesn't take a genius to see that the politicians' idea of democracy should only lie with them. They are there as servants of the people. Unfortunately, 'the people' have dealt them a shit hand and they are now desperately trying to get rid of the pack of cards they're using and start a game of Ludo!

They are not the servants of, they are the representatives of. This allow them to exercise freedom of conscience.