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Don Karleone said:
None of them. I live in a safe Labour seat though, don't worry.

It isn't just because of this programme either. They've made it clear that my vote doesn't matter to them.
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Fair enough. Does the thought of the Tories destroying the country further should they get in again not fill you with dread though?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Fair enough. Does the thought of the Tories destroying the country further should they get in again not fill you with dread though?
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As much as it did under the last Labour leader. People were warned that if Johnson won the country would go to shit. People were warned that it would be the less well-off, minorities, and disabled that would get shafted.

Nobody cared then. It's only now it's affecting "everyday normal folk" that people are up in arms.


If people want to vote for Tory-lite, be my guest. I won't be.
 
Don Karleone said:
As much as it did under the last Labour leader. People were warned that if Johnson won the country would go to shit. People were warned that it would be the less well-off, minorities, and disabled that would get shafted.

Nobody cared then. It's only now it's affecting "everyday normal folk" that people are up in arms.


If people want to vote for Tory-lite, be my guest. I won't be.
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Ideology über alles, n’est pas?
 
Labour voter most of my life, believe in the ideals, equality, egalitarianism, absolutely no doubt historically, the party has been the best, NHS, anti-discrimination, gender equality, and many more reforms. Here comes the home truth about the modern left, if you don't agree with their views you are a fascist, their unwillingness to accept referendums, Brexit, voted to remain myself, most of the guys i worked with and family, voted to leave portrayed as gammon, from a party of the Metropolitan elite. The identity politics garbage, sorry folks there are only two genders. zero chance of me voting labour if they bring in legislation allowing men to identify as women, i have a Mother 3 sisters, two aunts and a dozen female cousins/ nieces the idea that they could walk into women's Toilets, changing facilities, because they identify as female is absurd, what could possibly go wrong? Starmer is a huge improvement on the Anti-semitic, terrorist supporting arsehole Corbyn but still some way to regaining my vote.
 
daveoswald said:
NHS
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My Mum was born in 1947, same year as the NHS.

But the problem is things have changed.

People are living so much longer (which is a great thing by-the-way) my mum for example should live till 100 she hasn't smoked or drank.

But can this be done freely?

A person working till 65ish (maybe 67) and then we support them for another 30 years? yet the actual working population is shrinking in comparison... I just don't know how this can be resolved unless we steal young people from other parts of the world, is that right?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
How could I? Sounds like you voted for change last time.

It didn’t work, so you don’t care anymore and are happy for the Tories to carry on in protest.
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I wish I didn't care. It was much easier when I was ignorant of everything that was going on.

I was okay with Starmer becoming the leader. He isn't exactly what I wanted but he put forward his pledges and I liked them. It's a shame he only said them to get elected.


I don't believe a word he says now.
 
Don Karleone said:
I wish I didn't care. It was much easier when I was ignorant of everything that was going on.

I was okay with Starmer becoming the leader. He isn't exactly what I wanted but he put forward his pledges and I liked them. It's a shame he only said them to get elected.


I don't believe a word he says now.
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But why would you care about pledges when they could do absolutely nothing about the way our country has been/is being run? When you look at it, even the Tories can’t hold themselves to account as they just usher things through without even telling their own party, never mind parliament.

For many, this is personal. What happened back then when Corbyn was ousted really cut deep as some had invested so much. The reality of then and now is quite stark and, with a government who have lost any semblance of propriety, it should be a matter of getting them out, whatever the personal cost.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
But why would you care about pledges when they could do absolutely nothing about the way our country has been/is being run? When you look at it, even the Tories can’t hold themselves to account as they just usher things through without even telling their own party, never mind parliament.

For many, this is personal. What happened back then when Corbyn was ousted really cut deep as some had invested so much. The reality of then and now is quite stark and, with a government who have lost any semblance of propriety, it should be a matter of getting them out, whatever the personal cost.
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I care about honesty. He lied to get elected and has had no criticism for it, why is that? As I said, they won't miss my vote anyway.
 
Getting sick and fucking tired of hearing about the poor down trodden public sector workers.

Millions in the private sector get treated like shit and earn minimum as well.

Labour needs to focus on all, not just the members of unions.
 
Burnham just now on Ridge, Labour are now against a clear conservative ideology that is vandalism against people and needs to be radical and fight for normal people getting a fair deal.

Milliband on when asked about one positive thing about starmer, long pause as he thinks, integrity, honesty, not being johnson.

If labour fight the next two years on starmer not being johnson and on the class war and attack on society from truss and her pure tory ideology goons in cabinet then they are gonna fuck up a chance of a clear majority.

In my opinion.


The green energy policy he was on to promote sounded a good idea in contrast to the tory fracking shite
 
blueinsa said:
Getting sick and fucking tired of hearing about the poor down trodden public sector workers.

Millions in the private sector get treated like shit and earn minimum as well.

Labour needs to focus on all, not just the members of unions.
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Private sector employees can join unions. Private sector employees don't have the government dictating how much they should be paid.

Train crews aren't public sector anyway, they mostly work for private companies.
 
Vic said:
Private sector employees can join unions. Private sector employees don't have the government dictating how much they should be paid.

Train crews aren't public sector anyway, they mostly work for private companies.
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The government dictates what millions are paid via the minimum wage which enables employers to pay only what they legally have to.

That aside, Labour needs to speak for everyone and not just the poor, down trodden public worker who is often earning far more than similar in the private sector.
 
blueinsa said:
Getting sick and fucking tired of hearing about the poor down trodden public sector workers.

Millions in the private sector get treated like shit and earn minimum as well.

Labour needs to focus on all, not just the members of unions.
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Having worked in both, I had the choice to join a union when in the private sector and many do, bin men, rail workers, dockers etc.
I worked in a service sector that properly took the piss out of staff where they could, however a government be it local or national employ the public sector and so have near complete control over their pay and conditions, that is why politicians often mentionbthem, because they can effect them directly.

Politicians need to set standards in the private sector to match those in the public sector, also private sector workers can get representation, fight for better conditions and join in solidarity with the public sector workers, unfortunately the divide and conquer narrative is well entrenched in british thinking.


Financially I was much more well off in the private sector and comfortable, in the public sector I am poorer, but my work/life balance is much better
 
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