The Labour Party

metalblue said:
You still have to pay people to run the “companies” even if in full public ownership. It then becomes a question of do you want to attract the type of people you want to attract to run them.

However the main problem is structure. Network rails is a publicly owned company that is probably a great example of how not to do it.
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Most people we know want to work mainly because it pays them to work, they don't as sometimes we are constantly told serve because they are servants, or are driven by an over riding need to display an altruism those in the public sector will never understand.

For me accountability is something that needs to be hot baked into any contract for any industry the govt buy back, no jobs for life and a clear path to dismissal for workers who break the rules, just like they would in a private company.
 
mexico1970 said:
Most people we know want to work mainly because it pays them to work, they don't as sometimes we are constantly told serve because they are servants, or are driven by an over riding need to display an altruism those in the public sector will never understand.

For me accountability is something that needs to be hot baked into any contract for any industry the govt buy back, no jobs for life and a clear path to dismissal for workers who break the rules, just like they would in a private company.
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A lot of altruism in the private sector, is there?

I really don't think you have a clue about the culture lost with privatisation. It's not quite what I mean, but that culture was illustrated by Richard Marsh's tale of when, as chairman of the BR Board, he arrived at Euston - when porters were still a thing - and a porter carried his bags to a taxi, then refused a tip by saying "I don't take money from people I work with".
 
Don Karleone said:



Just fucking merge already
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They are. Labour are seeking to occupy the centre, centre/left and centre/right ground - albeit with greater emphasis on the centre/left.

Attracting sensible Tories is a signal to business groups and the electorate that Labour are ready for Govt. It’s all very sober and serious and makes a change to see people focusing on being competent rather than banging on about public toilets or crashing the asylum system.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Do you live in London?
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I live in the outskirts and travel in most days. Some lovely areas, some poor areas - never felt in any danger and wouldn't want to work anywhere else. It's no different to how i've always known it, in fact some labelled 'no go areas' have improved alot. Stratford, Lewisham, Bermondsey, Deptford, Brixton have some quite trendy bars and pubs now, had good nights in all those places last couple years - areas look alot cleaner than they did 20 odd years ago.
social media (twitter) has heightened the perception of London and people lap it up that it's full of stabbings and crimes and pesky Muslims wanting to take over the capital. Khan is a easy target.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I live in the outskirts and travel in most days. Some lovely areas, some poor areas - never felt in any danger and wouldn't want to work anywhere else. It's no different to how i've always known it, in fact some labelled 'no go areas' have improved alot. Stratford, Lewisham, Bermondsey, Deptford, Brixton have some quite trendy bars and pubs now, had good nights in all those places last couple years - areas look alot cleaner than they did 20 odd years ago.
social media (twitter) has heightened the perception of London and people lap it up that it's full of stabbings and crimes and pesky Muslims wanting to take over the capital. Khan is a easy target.
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I've never not felt safe in London.

People label it as some crime capital where you're going to get mugged on every corner. Never had an issue in that respect and like you I've had some ales in the so called "no go" areas and not had any issues.
 
hcblue95 said:
Well that's grim isn't it. Would labour accept Rees Mogg? Braverman? Where's the democracy in that?
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Probably at the moment as nothing is going to happen before the election and it just makes Sunak seem weaker and weaker.

I may change my view if they allow her to stand as their candidate in the election though.
 
TinFoilHat said:
No.

The corrupt MP knows she's going to lose her seat and her ego won't allow the humiliation.
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she has said she doesn't intend to stand for re-election - all she is doing is kicking Sunak in the bollocks to try and oust him whilst at the same timekeeping her salary rolling in for as long as she can
 
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bluethrunthru said:
she has said she doesn't intend to stand for re-election - all she is doing is kicking Sunak in the bollocks to try and oust him whilst at the same timekeeping her salary rolling in for as long as she can
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I forgot to put she's not standing. That would have enhanced my point about her ego.

Her corrupt hubby moved on so she could continue the grift.

She'll be no great loss to parliament.
 
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