It's in the internationally agreed definition of AS that you can't equate the actions of Israel with Nazism (even if the comparison is apt).Gerald Kaufman is on there list, a son of Polish Jews. He is there because he criticised Israel. I know little about Israel to be honest, its a country in the middle east I don't get involved with and I used to steer clear of the Israel/Palestine debates on here because I simply did not know enough to get involved.
This is one of the incidents in which he was accused of being anti semitic
Incidents
- On 15th January 2009, speaking in a debate at the House of Commons, Sir Gerald Kaufman said: [a] “My parents came to Britain as refugees from Poland. Most of their families were subsequently murdered by the Nazis in the Holocaust. My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town of Staszow. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The current Israeli Government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians. The implication is that Jewish lives are precious, but the lives of Palestinians do not count. On Sky News a few days ago, the spokeswoman for the Israeli army, Major Leibovich, was asked about the Israeli killing of, at that time, 800 Palestinians—the total is now 1,000. She replied instantly that “500 of them were militants.” [c] That was the reply of a Nazi.”
Why that is anti semitic I honestly don't know. Can somebody explain it to me in good faith.
Corbyn brought himself into disrepute today. Typical of his approach that has seen us in the wilderness. He, not KS, has chosen this path.I think you will find the whip will only be removed from acorbyn and possibly anyone who comes out to defend him.
As for voters turning their back on them over anti-smetism, well the ones that did in the red wall turned a party more racist than labour so not sure it plays heavily in every constituency.
Corbyn brought himself into disrepute today. Typical of his approach that has seen us in the wilderness. He, not KS, has chosen this path.
Loads of whataboutery of the Tories going on. However, the old adage of get your own house in order and don't throw stones, has never been more appropriate.
I think that's a given, based on many of the Tories on here it's a given anyway.It's a funny one all this Anti Semtic & Racism by leaders of the party. Now take Boris, Labelled a Racist by many on here, Including P.B actually and rightfully too. So if any of the the Right defend him as not being a Racist or even no Islamaphobia in the party will they be labelled the same as Rascal?
Is telling the tories to get their own house in order (a fair point btw) not also whataboutery?Corbyn brought himself into disrepute today. Typical of his approach that has seen us in the wilderness. He, not KS, has chosen this path.
Loads of whataboutery of the Tories going on. However, the old adage of get your own house in order and don't throw stones, has never been more appropriate.
Think you miss understood. Aimed at Corbinites not Tories.Is telling the tories to get their own house in order (a fair point btw) not also whataboutery?
fixed for youThe fucking state of politics
The problem you appear to have is that you find the Tories unpalatable but you are also totally opposed to the only realistic alternative i.e. a centre left party.And there endeth the Labour Party drowned in a sea of allegation and counter allegation. As much as I say I find anti Semitism abhorrent, it will always stick and because I am a vocal and on the left I am by association guilty of being anti semitic and/or of supporting anti semites. I could do a long long whataboutery piece but whats the point as that will only be deflection and serve no purpose.
So I will restate once again just in case anybody has missed it. I find all forms of abuse/discrimination from anti Semitism to Islamophobia, from homophobia to sexism, from ageism to disability discrimination abhorrent and I have and will as long as live fight against all forms of discrimination because I am a proud Anti Fascist and discrimination belongs in the realms of Fascism and not in the home of Socialism.
Today I have all but been accused of being anti semitic and supporting anti semites because I dared to challenge the narrative, despite the facts as I interpret them from reading the full report being on my side, they were ignored and skewed. The same old tropes were delivered by the same people as per normal and as much as i refute them i may as well smash my head repeatedly against a brick wall because the narrative is formed and it is word.
I ask a question and i am accused of denial, i cant know everything about everyone as much as i would like too so i am a denier of truth now as well.
My biggest sin though in the eyes of many is that i am a Socialist and anti capitalist and i care about my fellow human beings and want the best for all the people of this country whatever their background, race, culture, sexuality or creed.
What is left though after all the shouting is a Tory government that can do as it wants with a Labour party ravaged by infighting and with a leader who is a throwback to Blair and his neo-liberalist ideals. The Tories will govern for a lifetime because however you see the events of today and however you interpret the report and whatever you ideals or morals the only true winner from today is the Tory party. It now stands unopposed and that is scary for democracy in this country and as a democrat i fear for the future of our country with these callous cunts in charge and i fear even more for the future of our country because now the callous cunts can get seriously down to making sure there mates het their rewards and the outsourcing contracts go to their donors and capitalism inexorable march will carry on. If any of you really think Keith is the answer then i really do despair as he shown today what a cowardly fucker he is and if he was a decent man, he would have resigned from the party as well as the whole front bench who served under Corbyn and then leave the party to middle class fuckwits like Austin and Hodge. You can have the choice between Tory and Tory lite for the next 5 elections. Good luck with that.
Sadly though, i don't think this is the end of the matter, its just the beginning and the rancour will get much worse and the accusations and counter accusations will continue apace.
I have my own thoughts on the reasons behind all this but i can longer post them because of the accusations made today. The far right would say that is closing down the debate and no platforming, i call it prudence.