The Labour Party

[Rascal]

Incredible decision by the National Executive.
The Labour Party is institutionally racist and has no intention of changing.

IT IS UNELECTABLE.

So policy wise you think the party is great and is needed to solve the inequality in society and bring about fairness, decent housing for all, decent schools, decent hospitals, proper taxation of wealth, social justice, etc etc etc., You think all those are the right and proper policies that will benefit everyone in the country. You think that don't you, but they are unelectable only because of antisemitism.

 

[blueinsa]

Lord Ahmed retires from Parliament days before expulsion

Lord Nazir Ahmed sexually and emotionally exploited a vulnerable woman, a conduct report concludes.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure of our twitter/news aggregators are broken or just ignoring major news stories like this because they dont suit but ive stuck a link on in case anyone feels like commenting.

 

[blueinsa]

So policy wise you think the party is great and is needed to solve the inequality in society and bring about fairness, decent housing for all, decent schools, decent hospitals, proper taxation of wealth, social justice, etc etc etc., You think all those are the right and proper policies that will benefit everyone in the country. You think that don't you, but they are unelectable only because of antisemitism.

Ive lived through the Blair years and despite him being the best Labour leader ive known (i know you wont agree on that) the above dreams and they are just that mate, dreams never happened and wouldn't even if comrade Corbyn had become PM.

Its simply not how the western world works.

Same shit, differently badged is what we citizens get to choose from.

 

[Rascal]

Lord Ahmed retires from Parliament days before expulsion

Lord Nazir Ahmed sexually and emotionally exploited a vulnerable woman, a conduct report concludes.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure of our twitter/news aggregators are broken or just ignoring major news stories like this because they dont suit but ive stuck a link on in case anyone feels like commenting.

Good, all politicians should be held to the highest standards of propriety at all times.

If they do wrong, they get the boot, it doesn't matter who they are whatever party they are from, they should all be treated equally and Parliament is no place for these people.

 

[Rascal]

Ive lived through the Blair years and despite him being the best Labour leader ive known (i know you wont agree on that) the above dreams and they are just that mate, dreams never happened and wouldn't even if comrade Corbyn had become PM.

Its simply not how the western world works.

Same shit, differently badged is what we citizens get to choose from.

The anti leftist propaganda has worked so well, i have a grudging admiration for it.

 

[blueinsa]

Good, all politicians should be held to the highest standards of propriety at all times.

If they do wrong, they get the boot, it doesn't matter who they are whatever party they are from, they should all be treated equally and Parliament is no place for these people.

Id actually say he should face criminal charges if the proof of any unlawful acts is there and im rather uncomfortable with anyone being found guilty like this by anyone other than our justice system given the accusations.

 

[blueinsa]

The anti leftist propaganda has worked so well, i have a grudging admiration for it.

Its reality though fella.

We will never have a government in this country that you want and whilst a Corbyn one would have gone somewhere near, my guess is after 5 years of it fuck all of note will have changed and you would have still been left very disappointed.

 

[domalino]

So policy wise you think the party is great and is needed to solve the inequality in society and bring about fairness, decent housing for all, decent schools, decent hospitals, proper taxation of wealth, social justice, etc etc etc., You think all those are the right and proper policies that will benefit everyone in the country. You think that don't you, but they are unelectable only because of antisemitism.

You can't really promise to solve the inequality in society or bring about social justice if you're the party of anti-semitism, can you?

You can't pretend to be promoting policies to benefit "everybody in the country" if people think you're racist.

It just doesn't work, it destroys the whole message. That's why this has been such a destructive episode for Labour.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So policy wise you think the party is great and is needed to solve the inequality in society and bring about fairness, decent housing for all, decent schools, decent hospitals, proper taxation of wealth, social justice, etc etc etc., You think all those are the right and proper policies that will benefit everyone in the country. You think that don't you, but they are unelectable only because of antisemitism.

I don't vote for anyone who is purposefully racist.
Far too many in the Labour Party are. Not just to people of a Jewish heritage either.
BTW I voted Labour in 1992, 1897 and 2001

 

[Vic]

I act out of knowing how the left (hard ffs) is treated when the right have the upper hand in the party.

The left, me included were delighted when Blair won, he was voted in by all parts of the party as he promised the earth, but took the left for granted as if we would always be there and we ended up being just voting fodder for him to do as he wished and he didn't deliver on his promises to the left. During that time the left stayed broadly loyal, a few minor exceptions but broadly loyal as he was elected leader and PM. Brown and Ed Miliband were also backed by the left and again the left stayed loyal and upheld party unity. The left stayed loyal even when twats like Reeves voted for welfare cuts, we didn't moan or stage a coup, we were unified behind the leadership.

Then Corbyn won again voted in by a majority of party members, but almost straight away the PLP plotted against the left and organised a coup. The right of the Labour party are the ones who are disloyal, it was them who plotted and undermined the Labour party and after all those years of us on the left backing leaders who came from the right of the party it stuck in the craw. We did our bit for party loyalty but got zero loyalty in return from the right.

So no I don't act as though the Labour party belongs to the left, I do think it should be a Socialist party and not a socially liberal party but I have always voted Labour since I was old enough to vote and I remained loyal through the years of disappointment in Labour leaders espousing right wing virtues, when the lefts chance finally came, we were never shown the same loyalty we had given through the Thatcher years or the Blair years, we were plotted against, smeared and ridiculed as cultists and the right of the party stood and watched, then joined in and party unity disappeared.

Why should myself and other on the left who showed so much loyalty through all those years only to be shown disloyalty when our chance came have any respect at all from a person on the right of the party trying the same old tricks that we have seen before. They want our votes, they don't want our voices. What sort of democracy is that, when all you are thought of is as votes and especially when votes will be used to push policies that are not Socialist.

Your problem there is that it wasn't "the left" who'd been loyal party members for years who made Corbyn leader but people who paid a few quid to join just to make him leader.