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Someone (ex labour supporter then because of Brexit went full on Tory and in denial of the consequences I guess) doesn't like Raynor.
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"I genuinely don't believe politicians from either side have grasped the enormity of pain people are feeling with inflation and fuel prices. They all have their noses in the trough.

One of the worst is Rayner - her expenses alone last year - £195,000. That's about 30k more than Starmer 50k more than her equivalent Raab. She's long left her working class roots behind. Enjoys opera and the high life now. Probably the worst example of a hypocrite MP I've ever come across, utter fraud. Married yet shagging another married MP at her tax payer funded flat (30k a year). They're all simply awful."

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No idea on the expenses claim but often (like the Starmer lies from his time as a QC) I'll see if I can fact check.
Perhaps given this heat not a good time for 'politically heated debates' although I think it's going beyond politics when the right wing language starts to kick in.
Not quite sure why she can't head to the opera and why on earth that's going against her 'working class roots'.
Not sure what her high life is too (and if she's done ok for herself, whether she rubs you up the wrong way or not, why shouldn't she?
Notice Brexit being left out go the missive too (fuel/inflation).

The utter detritus of political debate atm....
 
somapop said:
Someone (ex labour supporter then because of Brexit went full on Tory and in denial of the consequences I guess) doesn't like Raynor.
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"I genuinely don't believe politicians from either side have grasped the enormity of pain people are feeling with inflation and fuel prices. They all have their noses in the trough.

One of the worst is Rayner - her expenses alone last year - £195,000. That's about 30k more than Starmer 50k more than her equivalent Raab. She's long left her working class roots behind. Enjoys opera and the high life now. Probably the worst example of a hypocrite MP I've ever come across, utter fraud. Married yet shagging another married MP at her tax payer funded flat (30k a year). They're all simply awful."

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No idea on the expenses claim but often (like the Starmer lies from his time as a QC) I'll see if I can fact check.
Perhaps given this heat not a good time for 'politically heated debates' although I think it's going beyond politics when the right wing language starts to kick in.
Not quite sure why she can't head to the opera and why on earth that's going against her 'working class roots'.
Not sure what her high life is too (and if she's done ok for herself, whether she rubs you up the wrong way or not, why shouldn't she?
Notice Brexit being left out go the missive too (fuel/inflation).

The utter detritus of political debate atm....
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I'm more interested in the shagging bit. Who is it, and are there any pics?
 
somapop said:
Someone (ex labour supporter then because of Brexit went full on Tory and in denial of the consequences I guess) doesn't like Raynor.
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"I genuinely don't believe politicians from either side have grasped the enormity of pain people are feeling with inflation and fuel prices. They all have their noses in the trough.

One of the worst is Rayner - her expenses alone last year - £195,000. That's about 30k more than Starmer 50k more than her equivalent Raab. She's long left her working class roots behind. Enjoys opera and the high life now. Probably the worst example of a hypocrite MP I've ever come across, utter fraud. Married yet shagging another married MP at her tax payer funded flat (30k a year). They're all simply awful."

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No idea on the expenses claim but often (like the Starmer lies from his time as a QC) I'll see if I can fact check.
Perhaps given this heat not a good time for 'politically heated debates' although I think it's going beyond politics when the right wing language starts to kick in.
Not quite sure why she can't head to the opera and why on earth that's going against her 'working class roots'.
Not sure what her high life is too (and if she's done ok for herself, whether she rubs you up the wrong way or not, why shouldn't she?
Notice Brexit being left out go the missive too (fuel/inflation).

The utter detritus of political debate atm....
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That’s less claimed than the average MP!
 
As has been said before, those who put their heart and soul into 'Boris' (as he was affectionately known to both red and wall supporters) won't be feeling particularly good about being duped.
So the rhetoric has to be subdued if we're going to discuss as adults.

Personally I know what it's like to not admit I'm wrong and it's cost me many things over the years, but learn I did and it's much better for you to do so.
There's many that won't and instead turn on the counter barrage (whether true or not and has been the case with the right wing press and the Labour Party/Starmer etc).
 
That does sound like a lot of expenses when written down without context btw, but when has that stopped information being passed around to try and win arguments (see anti vaxx & covid).
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm more interested in the shagging bit. Who is it, and are there any pics?
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There were pics (not those kind) a few months back of her and Sam Tarry emerging from behind the same door one morning on their way to 'work'.

Wouldn't necessarily go down the line of tittle tattle but such is our shit political discourse nobody is really interested in the internal shenanigans of the Labour Party. Aside from 2015-19 of course.

I bet this makes for interesting pillow talk

 
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somapop said:
Someone (ex labour supporter then because of Brexit went full on Tory and in denial of the consequences I guess) doesn't like Raynor.
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"I genuinely don't believe politicians from either side have grasped the enormity of pain people are feeling with inflation and fuel prices. They all have their noses in the trough.

One of the worst is Rayner - her expenses alone last year - £195,000. That's about 30k more than Starmer 50k more than her equivalent Raab. She's long left her working class roots behind. Enjoys opera and the high life now. Probably the worst example of a hypocrite MP I've ever come across, utter fraud. Married yet shagging another married MP at her tax payer funded flat (30k a year). They're all simply awful."

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No idea on the expenses claim but often (like the Starmer lies from his time as a QC) I'll see if I can fact check.
Perhaps given this heat not a good time for 'politically heated debates' although I think it's going beyond politics when the right wing language starts to kick in.
Not quite sure why she can't head to the opera and why on earth that's going against her 'working class roots'.
Not sure what her high life is too (and if she's done ok for herself, whether she rubs you up the wrong way or not, why shouldn't she?
Notice Brexit being left out go the missive too (fuel/inflation).

The utter detritus of political debate atm....
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It’s a bit out but only by £4k.

https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/news/19876404.revealed-amount-claimed-expenses-oldhams-mps/

The 30k discrepancy between her and Starmer is probably because her main residence is not in London and so she needs to rent somewhere to live.

Starmer's constituency is around the corner from his family home so no need to have two residences.

Ministers get a bump in salary, use of grace and favour residences and ministerial cars. Starmer as LOTO is also the only member of the shadow cabinet to get a salary boost.

Most of the costs are for staff and she isn't even top of the list for Oldham MPs.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
It’s a bit out but only by £4k.

https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/news/19876404.revealed-amount-claimed-expenses-oldhams-mps/

The 30k discrepancy between her and Starmer is probably because her main residence is not in London and so she needs to rent somewhere to live.

Starmer's constituency is around the corner from his family home so no need to have two residences.

Ministers get a bump in salary, use of grace and favour residences and ministerial cars. Starmer as LOTO is also the only member of the shadow cabinet to get a salary boost.

Most of the costs are for staff and she isn't even top of the list for Oldham MPs.
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Yeah, it's getting down to scattershot approach to facts now.

A weird dream for some has become a bit of a nightmare so humans tend to lash out.
But the working classes not voting labour because they don't represent us then being swayed by the likes of Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg and co is bewildering.

Then when Labour has some real working class amongst them, they themselves are ganged up on.

It's not politics this is classism and misogony. And that's where the condundrum over how you debate with these views becomes interesting,
 
“not a whitewash”


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