The Labour Party

[bluenova]

There has to be a balance between weakening Sunak and losing people on the left of the party though. I'm on the fence about voting for labour at the GE but shit like this really makes me distrust him and the party.

This isn't just about 'weakening Sunak', it's about winning a big enough majority to actual make real changes to the country. Labour identified that their poll lead was stacking up votes in areas they were already likely to win. This is about appealing to people in other areas.

There aren't that many seats where Labour will lose because people on the left of the party refuse to vote for them. (and there can't be many on the left who, when it comes down to a close fight between Tory and Labour, won't be voting Labour).

There are, however, plenty of seats they won't have a chance in, if people think they're too far from the centre. This kind of stunt helps target people who think a Labour government will be too left wing.

 

[hilts]

In other unrelated news, Christianity has welcomed Satan worshipers into the fold.

Frodo says Sauron is misunderstood & invites him round for ale & cheese.

And the Avengers use the infinity stone to resurrect Thanos so he can finger snap murder another half of life in universe.

Don't give the stone to Keirh he will murder the left half

 

[Blue Maverick]

I really don't know why people make this moot point. It isn't in the rules. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02537/

Not reading that tbh I can’t be arsed whether it’s in the rules or not, my feeling is your vote is null and void now you’ve switched sides.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

They will welcome anyone that weakens Sunak, embarrasses the Tories and potentially hastens an election. They will then bin them off at the GE - as they are doing with Elphicke.

It’s just politics ie when your opponent is down continue to put the boot in.

Exactly this.
An ideal opportunity to further embarrass your political opponents at a crucial time.
It‘s not as if she’ll be drafted onto the executive and will become a mover and shaker in forming labour policy.
She‘s not even standing at the next GE.
Just a knockabout piece of in yer face pre-election fun!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

This isn't just about 'weakening Sunak', it's about winning a big enough majority to actual make real changes to the country. Labour identified that their poll lead was stacking up votes in areas they were already likely to win. This is about appealing to people in other areas.

There aren't that many seats where Labour will lose because people on the left of the party refuse to vote for them. (and there can't be many on the left who, when it comes down to a close fight between Tory and Labour, won't be voting Labour).

There are, however, plenty of seats they won't have a chance in, if people think they're too far from the centre. This kind of stunt helps target people who think a Labour government will be too left wing.

Agree with that. Hanging on to the momentum / corbynites is not going to win you an election.

They as a block have a big impact when in comes to internal stuff. They can give Starmer a hard time at conference. But just as Tony Blair did, if he wins big at a GE then that brings far more power. The lefties are going to find that the majority of the party would rather win elections than stand by on points of principle that many voters don't care about.

 

[urban genie]

New new labour is more tory lite than old new labour

 

[urban genie]

It’s one thing to want to add egg on Sunak but you really don’t need to vouch for her like this….

Exactly she share no labour values so the hearty handshakes and trumpeting of her is as off putting as it is one in the eye for sunak

 

[The blue phantom]

Starmer really is an utterly shameless individual and demonstrated his complete lack of backbone today by failing to condemn Khan’s comments about the moral equivalence between a terrorist group and a democratic state.

He really isn’t fit to be Prime Minister.

But the Israeli government is a terrorist organisation just like Hamas. No different.

 

[BobKowalski]

There has to be a balance between weakening Sunak and losing people on the left of the party though. I'm on the fence about voting for labour at the GE but shit like this really makes me distrust him and the party.

A defecting Tory is going to get a welcome as it will encourage other MPs to do the same. A defecting Tory being shunned will not. In the Elphicke case, each is using the other for their political ends. Is it edifying? No. Is it dirty, nasty politics? Yes.

Anything that accelerates the unravelling of the Tory party and this Govt is fair game as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

Sadly, the most likely alternative to the Tories is the Labour Party. I despair