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I don't dislike Churchill and agree with you that he did make a valuable contributions during the war. But what I object to is the delibrate white washing in schools of all the bad shit that he did. He does have a place in British history but lets not hide the fact putting aside what he did in the war he was a right **** and had there not been the war would we still be arse licking his legacy?

I don’t disagree with that at all but the original reason we spoke about Churchill was a point you made about everyone ignoring his bad parts, whilst concentrating on Corbyn’s negatives.

My position is that Corbyn’s negatives outweigh his positives and he hasn’t accomplished a fraction of the good Churchill did for us.

He’s obviously not done anything as negative as Churchill did also so what I’m really saying is they’re not a good comparison.

It would be better to compare Churchill to other war time PM’s and Corbyn to other peace time opposition leaders.
 
Again, comparing Iraq and Syria isn’t necessarily a wise thing to do.

And anyway, not wanting intervention full stop means that he doesn’t give a fuck about innocents being on the end of atrocities.

I mean, imagine being against the ending of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, what pit of immorality do you have to sink to, to not be bothered enough to help?

Corbyn being a wooly anti-war protester is all rubbish and a smokescreen. He is fine with war providing it aligns with the political interests and agenda he holds which is often the opposite to what is in the best interests of the UK.

When he was spouting to stop the Gulf War many years ago he was also supporting and meeting IRA and Hamas terrorists, people who are responsible for the deaths of many innocent people.

He was against any intervention in Syria to stop the use of chemical weapons but he turned a blind eye when it came to condemning or doing something about the Russians or Assad for using those chemical weapons, again who were killing thousands of innocent people.

Him and his party will be the first to call for police investigations into Gavin Williams for example but they are happy to protect fugitives like Assange from justice whose actions puts lives at risk through the release of classified information.

They are also the ones who believed our intelligence services conspired about Salisbury despite obvious evidence from the start right through to the end showing Russia was responsible.

Do people really want to put them in power, in charge of our defence, intelligence services, counter-terrorism, the works? Lol.
 
Corbyn being a wooly anti-war protester is all rubbish and a smokescreen. He is fine with war providing it aligns with the political interests and agenda he holds which is often the opposite to what is in the best interests of the UK.

When he was spouting to stop the Gulf War many years ago he was also supporting and meeting IRA and Hamas terrorists, people who are responsible for the deaths of many innocent people.

He was against any intervention in Syria to stop the use of chemical weapons but he turned a blind eye when it came to condemning or doing something about the Russians or Assad for using those chemical weapons, again who were killing thousands of innocent people.

Him and his party will be the first to call for police investigations into Gavin Williams for example but they are happy to protect fugitives like Assange from justice whose actions puts lives at risk through the release of classified information.

They are also the ones who believed our intelligence services conspired about Salisbury despite obvious evidence from the start right through to the end showing Russia was responsible.

Do people really want to put them in power, in charge of our defence, intelligence services, counter-terrorism, the works? Lol.

Great post.
 
For me, the acid test of whether someone is principled or not, is whether they will stand up for what they believe in, even when doing so is to their own detriment.

It's very easy to shout protests from the sidelines - something Jeremy has been doing his entire life - when there's no adverse consequences. Indeed, when you may even be "rewarded" for doing so by taking a populist position or being seen to knock the government and appeal to anti-government supporters. Any idiot can do that.

The real question is what position do you take when to tell the truth, to say what you *really* think, will very likely be unpopular and damage you in some way? When standing up for something you believe in is hard, what do you do - speak the truth, or duck, shirk, run away and hide or just downright lie?

I won't detail the many areas where he's gone hiding or simply lied, but off the top of my head we have his position on Trident and our nuclear deterrent, on shoot to kill, on the monarchy and respect thereof, on Brexit, on extensive nationalisation, on wage caps, on freedom of movement, even on his bloody dress sense FFS.

Corbyn has time and time again shown himself to be a hypocritical, two-faced, opportunistic, spineless worm who will say and do anything to further his own aims and bury anything which does not. He probably can't even spell "principled".
You're hypocritical, I'm nuanced.
 
@Ben-jani thought I would leave this here for you firm the Spectator none the less on the Corbyn anti-Semitic smears https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...y-anti-semitic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Give a read

I have, it’s poor.

Most of the evidence for him being nice to Jews is almost 40 years old and even so, there’s very little evidence to prove he isn’t.

It says that he befriends antisemites but that doesn’t mean we can say he’s one. Well I’m sorry but being mates with racists makes you at the very least, a ****.
 
I have, it’s poor.

Most of the evidence for him being nice to Jews is almost 40 years old and even so, there’s very little evidence to prove he isn’t.

It says that he befriends antisemites but that doesn’t mean we can say he’s one. Well I’m sorry but being mates with racists makes you at the very least, a ****.
It doesn't say he befriends antisemites.
 
I have, it’s poor.

Most of the evidence for him being nice to Jews is almost 40 years old and even so, there’s very little evidence to prove he isn’t.

It says that he befriends antisemites but that doesn’t mean we can say he’s one. Well I’m sorry but being mates with racists makes you at the very least, a ****.

And more importantly still no evidence to prove he is?

Guilty by association doesn't count in mine and most peoples books.
 
And more importantly still no evidence to prove he is?

Guilty by association doesn't count in mine and most peoples books.

Writing the foreword for an antisemitic book, saying British Jews don’t understand English humour, commending an antisemitic artwork propaganda piece, leaving a wreath at the grave or a terrorist who killed Jews, failing to protect MP’s who have faced death threats and antisemitism by his supporters.

These are all on him.
 
And more importantly still no evidence to prove he is?

Guilty by association doesn't count in mine and most peoples books.
Give it up Mike.

He's not the guy to deliver a Labour government you obviously crave, so why keep defending him?
 
Give it up Mike.

He's not the guy to deliver a Labour government you obviously crave, so why keep defending him?

I will defend him on the ani Semitism because they are vile nasty lies. As a leader and possible PM the jury is still out I would much prefer an Emily Thornbury or Keir Starmer
 
Writing the foreword for an antisemitic book, saying British Jews don’t understand English humour, commending an antisemitic artwork propaganda piece, leaving a wreath at the grave or a terrorist who killed Jews, failing to protect MP’s who have faced death threats and antisemitism by his supporters.

These are all on him.

This and the small army of ante semites that follow him on social media. Anti semitism was rife in the post war Soviet Union, Stalin pumped out anti jewish conspiracy theories / propaganda and it has become entrenched in militant hard left politics. Corbyn does the absolute minimum to stop it.
 
Writing the foreword for an antisemitic book, saying British Jews don’t understand English humour, commending an antisemitic artwork propaganda piece, leaving a wreath at the grave or a terrorist who killed Jews, failing to protect MP’s who have faced death threats and antisemitism by his supporters.

These are all on him.

And that explains your basis for calling him anti semite that says a lot
 
I will defend him on the ani Semitism because they are vile nasty lies.

looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck etc.

Seriously, he's had god knows how many chances to put this to rest and the very fact he hasn't, tells you everything you need to know. Had it been the odd thing, or the odd comment and he'd quickly sorted it then, yes fair enough. But that's not the case is it. There's been endless things pointing to his anti-semitism and it's just too much to ignore.
 
Where do the Labour party stand on the ongoing row about LGBT lessons in schools? I've not seen any of them comment yet.
 
Where do the Labour party stand on the ongoing row about LGBT lessons in schools? I've not seen any of them comment yet.
This is all i've found from Angela Rayner.

https://labour.org.uk/press/schools-stopping-teaching-lgbt-rights/

“There is not only a moral imperative to ensure that all young children receive LGBT inclusive education, there is a legal requirement too and schools must comply with the Equalities Act. There is no justifiable reason to stop the teaching of these issues.”

There's also this from Labour MP Shabana Mahmood which hasn't gone down well.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/06/labour-mp-shabana-mahmood-lgbt-relationship-education/

 

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