The Labour Party

[urban genie]

Ridiculous for Momentum to do this on the eve of a General Election. Labour don’t half shoot themselves in the foot sometimes.

Tbf this was the last instance available to get it into confrence, for a vote, the membership have been calling for him to be sacked for over a year and as present rules apply you need MPs to agree to a new election for it to happen, whic hthey won't so a rule change at conference is needed.

The fact the NEC voted 17-10 to have it discussed at their meeting today and that it has been widely met with support in the members shows that it was the right thing to do.

I haven't hidden how much I hate watson on here, the man is a stain on the party for 15 years now, he has undermined Blair, brown, milliband and not Jeremy, and even if I was never a blair fan, watson actions and duplicitous backstabbing of him because he saw his arse was pathetic.

I never voted him DL at the time as I have disliked and not trusted him for years.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The usual suspects will be along soon to proclaim its the malign influence of the Marxists.

They wont understand that Watson has been actively plotting against the leader and he has alienated vast swathes of the most important people in the Labour party, that being the members.

I would say you have hot the nail on the head here. You reflect the main issue with the labour party. The most important people are not the members but the potential voters. As for those that say Watson (i am no fan either) is out of line with policy - there is no policy that i can see. Watson has defined his view at least. Broad church and all that?
In my local branch the marxist neanderthals are in the ascendancy. Where are all these 'new' members who signed up? Not seen hide nor hair of them. Meanwhile the longer standing members are walking.

 

[Ric]

Tbf this was the last instance available to get it into confrence, for a vote, the membership have been calling for him to be sacked for over a year and as present rules apply you need MPs to agree to a new election for it to happen, whic hthey won't so a rule change at conference is needed.

The fact the NEC voted 17-10 to have it discussed at their meeting today and that it has been widely met with support in the members shows that it was the right thing to do.

I haven't hidden how much I hate watson on here, the man is a stain on the party for 15 years now, he has undermined Blair, brown, milliband and not Jeremy, and even if I was never a blair fan, watson actions and duplicitous backstabbing of him because he saw his arse was pathetic.

I never voted him DL at the time as I have disliked and not trusted him for years.

I’m no great fan of Watson, but the timing is poor and seeking to abolish the entire post just to great rid of one man seems a bit extreme.

 

[blueinsa]

Momentum pmsl

Students need to go.....deputy leader needs to go.....anyone who we don’t like or doesn’t agree with us needs to go.....

This lot winning a GE?

Don’t make me laugh!

 

[urban genie]

I’m no great fan of Watson, but the timing is poor and seeking to abolish the entire post just to great rid of one man seems a bit extreme.

Extreme maybe but unfortunately the power to call a new dep leader election is in the hands of the MPs and too many are spineless and also ignore their members and local CLPswhere there has been a majority call nationwide to have him removed and replaced.

The timing could be better, but if we are going into a general election then watson needs removing before then and the only way is through this conference.


The media response is as expected, this isn't a mommentum plot, it is widely supported by members and won't split the party, but will boil the piss of a selection of the parties pathetic set of MPs whose only concern is themselves.

 

[blueinsa]

I would say you have hot the nail on the head here. You reflect the main issue with the labour party. The most important people are not the members but the potential voters. As for those that say Watson (i am no fan either) is out of line with policy - there is no policy that i can see. Watson has defined his view at least. Broad church and all that?
In my local branch the marxist neanderthals are in the ascendancy. Where are all these 'new' members who signed up? Not seen hide nor hair of them. Meanwhile the longer standing members are walking.

For the many remember mate, not the few lol.

 

[urban genie]

Momentum pmsl

Students need to go.....deputy leader needs to go.....anyone who we don’t like or doesn’t agree with us needs to go.....

This lot winning a GE?

Don’t make me laugh!

Students are going nowhere, you have no clue what went on there, that group represented less than 10% of labour student bodies and excluded anyone but those who supported progress driven policy ideas.

This has been widely celebrated by labour student bodies who have been calling for a change to the body and system for years.

Watsons a shit bag back stabbing twat and has been for decades, shouldn't even be in the party never mind DL.

 

[blueinsa]

Students are going nowhere, you have no clue what went on there, that group represented less than 10% of labour student bodies and excluded anyone but those who supported progress driven policy ideas.

This has been widely celebrated by labour student bodies who have been calling for a change to the body and system for years.

Watsons a shit bag back stabbing twat and has been for decades, shouldn't even be in the party never mind DL.

Students are going nowhere so long as they are momentum stooges is what you mean.

Should just rename the party and be done with it.

 

[worsleyweb]

McDonnell, Watson, Abbott and Corbyn.

And people think these people could run a country?

Seriously?

Labour needs to escape its grip of the trade unions that fund it and reflect the thoughts of the modern working man not the working man of the 1970s.

 

[urban genie]

Students are going nowhere so long as they are momentum stooges is what you mean.

Should just rename the party and be done with it.

Labour students which barred most labour student union groups also championed.

Graduate tax
Some kind of student fee
Bombing libya
The Iraq war
Backed PFI in the NHS

Gave us the likes of Mike Gapes,Tom Watson and Wes streeting.

It won't be missed.


On to the deputy leader thing, personnaly I don't think it should be abolished, but do think the choice to call an election of a new one should be taken off MPs and given to the membership

 

[blueinsa]

Labour students which barred most labour student union groups also championed.

Graduate tax
Some kind of student fee
Bombing libya
The Iraq war
Backed PFI in the NHS

Gave us the likes of Mike Gapes,Tom Watson and Wes streeting.

It won't be missed.


On to the deputy leader thing, personnaly I don't think it should be abolished, but do think the choice to call an election of a new one should be taken off MPs and given to the membership

In other words given to momentum.

The take over is almost complete.

 

[urban genie]

In other words given to momentum.

The take over is almost complete.

Labour membership 519,000 members
Mimmentum 40,000 members

Yeah well and truly taken over.

Know what you are talking about before you comment.

I wouldn't countanance joining mommentum and I know no one who would amongst members I know.


It's a small group that, yes has some members in the NEC and so can put motions to vote on changing party rules but is hardly taking over, this watson and labour student actions are widely supported.


In the end the MPs still have most control unless it's conference or NEC elections

 

[blueinsa]

Labour membership 519,000 members
Mimmentum 40,000 members

Yeah well and truly taken over.

Know what you are talking about before you comment.

I wouldn't countanance joining mommentum and I know no one who would amongst members I know.


It's a small group that, yes has some members in the NEC and so can put motions to vote on changing party rules but is hardly taking over, this watson and labour student actions are widely supported.

You effectively trying to shut me up saying I don’t know what I am talking about simply will not work.

Telling the electorate to butt out simply will not work.

Apparently Corbyn was unaware of the move yesterday which doesn’t surprise me as he is a puppet for momentum.

Our domestic politics and party political system is so fucked it’s untrue, taken over on both sides by extremes.

 

[Rascal]

I would say you have hot the nail on the head here. You reflect the main issue with the labour party. The most important people are not the members but the potential voters. As for those that say Watson (i am no fan either) is out of line with policy - there is no policy that i can see. Watson has defined his view at least. Broad church and all that?
In my local branch the marxist neanderthals are in the ascendancy. Where are all these 'new' members who signed up? Not seen hide nor hair of them. Meanwhile the longer standing members are walking.

In the party the most important people are the members, the country is another matter. If the members are not comfortable with a person then they have the democratic right to ask for that persons removal. That is the whole point of having a democratic party. If you lose the membership and over ride its wishes then what is the point in having members at all?

I would probably be classed as a Marxist Neanderthal, I am regularly on here anyway, but all I want is a democratic party that reflects the membership, if it doesn't reflect the membership then what is the point of being a member. I was a member from well before the Blair years and accepted the democratic will of the members back then, if people cant accept the democratic will now, then perhaps the party is not for them, but more importantly neither is democracy.

Tom has constantly undermined the leadership, he is not alone in that either as others have done likewise, if they cannot accept the democratic will of the members then they also have the option to leave, nobody is forcing them to stay. As a broadchurch though it appears those on the right of the party where happy when they held the majority and I was happy too to see the democratic will of the members enabled, but now the party has becoming left leaning its those on the right who are not accepting of party democracy and have thrown their dummies out of the pram.

It is quite sad though when members of our own party dismiss people to the left of them as Marxist Neanderthals, I am a Socialist, always have been and I want a Socialist party that reflects true Labour values, I don't a European style social democratic party who are in hoc to neo-liberalism.

 

[urban genie]

You effectively trying to shut me up saying I don’t know what I am talking about simply will not work.

Telling the electorate to butt out simply will not work.

Apparently Corbyn was unaware of the move yesterday which doesn’t surprise me as he is a puppet for momentum.

Our domestic politics and party political system is so fucked it’s untrue, taken over on both sides by extremes.

No ones trying to shut you up, write what you like, but you still din't know what your on about when it comes to the NEC and party procedure.

Nothing done has been undemocratic or against party rules.

Mommentum are not a majority affiliate of the party, so haven't taken over.

The MPs crying foul about the NEC motion are the same who have used any tactic possible to oust the leader, so are pretty hypocritical imho.

As for Corbyn, plausable deniability I think rather than being a puppet for mommentum.

Also watson was scheduled to be at that meeting but said he had to stay home to look after his kids, otherwise he could have challenged the motion only found out when at a chinese restaraunt by text.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Students are going nowhere, you have no clue what went on there, that group represented less than 10% of labour student bodies and excluded anyone but those who supported progress driven policy ideas.

This has been widely celebrated by labour student bodies who have been calling for a change to the body and system for years.

Watsons a shit bag back stabbing twat and has been for decades, shouldn't even be in the party never mind DL.

And with the other 649 MPs he could start his own party The SBBS Party. Would always command a majority on the green benches.

 

[blueinsa]

To suggest momentum are not in control of the NEC and the membership is like telling someone night is day.

It isn’t going to wash I’m afraid.

Their stated aim is to transform the Labour Party and here we are, being told they are a minority and not representative yet seemingly able to do whatever they like.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

In the party the most important people are the members, the country is another matter. If the members are not comfortable with a person then they have the democratic right to ask for that persons removal. That is the whole point of having a democratic party. If you lose the membership and over ride its wishes then what is the point in having members at all?

I would probably be classed as a Marxist Neanderthal, I am regularly on here anyway, but all I want is a democratic party that reflects the membership, if it doesn't reflect the membership then what is the point of being a member. I was a member from well before the Blair years and accepted the democratic will of the members back then, if people cant accept the democratic will now, then perhaps the party is not for them, but more importantly neither is democracy.

Tom has constantly undermined the leadership, he is not alone in that either as others have done likewise, if they cannot accept the democratic will of the members then they also have the option to leave, nobody is forcing them to stay. As a broadchurch though it appears those on the right of the party where happy when they held the majority and I was happy too to see the democratic will of the members enabled, but now the party has becoming left leaning its those on the right who are not accepting of party democracy and have thrown their dummies out of the pram.

It is quite sad though when members of our own party dismiss people to the left of them as Marxist Neanderthals, I am a Socialist, always have been and I want a Socialist party that reflects true Labour values, I don't a European style social democratic party who are in hoc to neo-liberalism.

There are marxists and then there are Marxist neanderthals. Same species, different breed. I have no problem with Marxists (broad church) but the thugs ( i have been physicaly pinned up against a wall whilst lectured) are neanderthals.

 

[Rascal]

Labour membership 519,000 members
Mimmentum 40,000 members

Yeah well and truly taken over.

Know what you are talking about before you comment.

I wouldn't countanance joining mommentum and I know no one who would amongst members I know.


It's a small group that, yes has some members in the NEC and so can put motions to vote on changing party rules but is hardly taking over, this watson and labour student actions are widely supported.


In the end the MPs still have most control unless it's conference or NEC elections

I joined Momentum in the early days, they were a bit too right wing for me. So I let my membership lapse.

Generally they are misunderstood as an organisation, as they are a campaign group, but they do offer a counter balance to the Blue Labour faction of Glasman Cruddas and Embery.

Momentum have been a success which irks the right who have tried to imitate it with their ludicrous Turning Point attempt and the Moggmentum group.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

To suggest momentum are not in control of the NEC and the membership is like telling someone night is day.

It isn’t going to wash I’m afraid.

Their stated aim is to transform the Labour Party and here we are, being told they are a minority and not representative yet seemingly able to do whatever they like.

The reality is that i would not name my own branch on here or anywhere if i were to tell it like it is. I have seen first hand the reprisals. Many have left/forced out/opted out to be replaced by none active numbers of transitory members. Just leaves a core of active hardliners.