The Labour Party

Hart of the Matter said:
There are marxists and then there are Marxist neanderthals. Same species, different breed. I have no problem with Marxists (broad church) but the thugs ( i have been physicaly pinned up against a wall whilst lectured) are neanderthals.
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Thugs are thugs what ever their political positioning, i am not a thug but i will debate as i am a democrat. There is no place in society for thuggish actions and whether that be on the left or the right i would condemn it.

I do however understand peoples frustrations, like I said for years I supported a Labour party as a member and that party didn't reflect my values, but it was the least worst option and now that the broadchurch has moved leftwards there is no reciprocity and that is undemocratic.
 
Rascal said:
I joined Momentum in the early days, they were a bit too right wing for me. So I let my membership lapse.

Generally they are misunderstood as an organisation, as they are a campaign group, but they do offer a counter balance to the Blue Labour faction of Glasman Cruddas and Embery.

Momentum have been a success which irks the right who have tried to imitate it with their ludicrous Turning Point attempt and the Moggmentum group.
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Been a success... ffs. No wonder the country is in the shitter if you call the current Labour Party a success. Carry on contemplating your own navel while the country and real people suffer. Or maybe that is the outcome you really want. Bring on the collapse and let anarchy rise.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
The reality is that i would not name my own branch on here or anywhere if i were to tell it like it is. I have seen first hand the reprisals. Many have left/forced out/opted out to be replaced by none active numbers of transitory members. Just leaves a core of active hardliners.
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Yet my CLP laughed when mommentum tried to influence and their suggestion for oir new MP was roundly beat in the selection proccess, but then we are already left wing enough and didn't need some fringe group telling us about socialism.

The only problems we had and the reason we were suspended was bullying by members of progress, which resulted in threats of physical action towards one member.

Goes both ways, most labour members aren't interested in these pressure grouos and jist shrug them off.

Brighton was also suspended by nichol after many complaits about the in fighting.
At the time progress were openly abusing left wingers in meetigs and their was an assault on a labour member by the right wing of the party.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The fact that the 'Membership' love Corbyn, but nobody else does, at all, may prove to be a slight problem...

https://ukupdates.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-least-popular-opposition-leader-in-history/
https://www.cityam.com/jeremy-corby...r-opposition-leader-since-1977-study-reveals/


Jezza lovers can take heart in the inaccuracies of past polls though, all is not lost.

Lol.
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Not all members love Jeremy, but they love the idea of socialism and the manifesto put forward last time.
 
Every time i hear "we are a broad church" a little bit of vomit comes up.
 
urban genie said:
Not all members love Jeremy, but they love the idea of socialism and the manifesto put forward last time.
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Maybe, but the problem is the electorate think he's the worst leader ever, so unless you can get around 30 million
of them to join the socialist paradise party, it doesn't look too good for his election prospects.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
Been a success... ffs. No wonder the country is in the shitter if you call the current Labour Party a success. Carry on contemplating your own navel while the country and real people suffer. Or maybe that is the outcome you really want. Bring on the collapse and let anarchy rise.
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Their campaigning at the last election was a success and stopped Labour being annihilated , whether you like that or not, it is a fact.

Now I am trying to debate, you say there is bullying, yet you are the one who is telling me what to do and what outcome I want. So who is the bully?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Maybe, but the problem is the electorate think he's the worst leader ever, so unless you can get around 30 million
of them to join the socialist paradise party, it doesn't look too good for his election prospects.
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Different answe rto my reply.

And yes convinving the nation not the members is the necessary step if a General Election is coming.

The most negative person in the party causing division is the deputy leader at present and so needs fucking off.

Get this issue done and him fucked off and then all band together on message and campaign for a change in government.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Maybe, but the problem is the electorate think he's the worst leader ever, so unless you can get around 30 million
of them to join the socialist paradise party, it doesn't look too good for his election prospects.
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If the election takes place before Brexit is resolved, it’s quite feasible that the Lib Dem’s and SNP will pick up 100 seats between them. Taking into account Plaid, the Sinn Fein no shows etc Labour would be able to form a minority government with not many more than 200 seats. Even Corbyn should be able to manage that.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Maybe, but the problem is the electorate think he's the worst leader ever, so unless you can get around 30 million
of them to join the socialist paradise party, it doesn't look too good for his election prospects.
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Who knows.

At least we will be trying to make this country a better place, if the people prefer it to be how it is, that is their democratic right.

I would prefer it to be better, wouldn't you?
 
urban genie said:
Different answe rto my reply.

And yes convinving the nation not the members is the necessary step if a General Election is coming.

The most negative person in the party causing division is the deputy leader at present and so needs fucking off.

Get this issue dome and him fucked off and then all band together on message and campaign for a change in government.
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Fucking off Watson may please Momentum, but he's not the problem the electorate have.
Fucking off Corbyn, well, that may resonate, but you're stuck with him now because of this membership that has
recently swelled the ranks. The membership has zero effect on the electorate, Corbyn, it appears, has a toxic affect.
To have worst opposition leader ever can't exactly be filling ordinary Labour voters with confidence.
 
Rascal said:
Who knows.

At least we will be trying to make this country a better place, if the people prefer it to be how it is, that is their democratic right.

I would prefer it to be better, wouldn't you?
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Of course I would, but having seen the devastating effects of socialism wherever it's been implemented,
I wouldn't elect one.
 
urban genie said:
Different answe rto my reply.

And yes convinving the nation not the members is the necessary step if a General Election is coming.

The most negative person in the party causing division is the deputy leader at present and so needs fucking off.

Get this issue done and him fucked off and then all band together on message and campaign for a change in government.
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Tories in disarray amid a potential constitutional crisis and a looming GE so Labour start a bit of internal fighting at conference giving the media an open goal to aim at.

From the outside it doesn't look to be a very sensible move.
 
cibaman said:
If the election takes place before Brexit is resolved, it’s quite feasible that the Lib Dem’s and SNP will pick up 100 seats between them. Taking into account Plaid, the Sinn Fein no shows etc Labour would be able to form a minority government with not many more than 200 seats. Even Corbyn should be able to manage that.
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I would agree with your numbers, but disagree with the projected result, for me, the conservatives would take that spot.
If there is a coalition with the BP, they would piss it, which may yet happen, we'll see.
 
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