The Labour Party

Chippy_boy said:
Anyone flirting with the idea of voting Labour, what a lovely quote this is, from the BBC this afternoon.

Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the TSSA, said his union will back calls for Labour to support remain in the election.

"We are an independent trade union, we tell the Labour Party what to do, it's not the other way round," he said.

1974 strikes anyone? What a vote winner that will be.
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"You are in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history."
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
So Labour have rejected a campaign to remain?

This party, man. WHat does it want!?
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To be in opposition. Corbyn is not interested in leading the country, more interested in being a career opposer and trying(but failing miserably) to be all things to all people

A potential Prime Minister cannot be 'neutral' on the biggest political event in years. Particularity as Brexit is not a one-off event. It is a process that will take 5-10 years for even a bit of normality to come back
 
Gaudion M said:
I would not read too much into this - it is a vote taken in the hall compiled with block Union votes. Corbyn has most of the Unions in his pocket and will be doing all he can to stuff the hall. Even then he will only win a small majority in favor of a 2nd Ref as opposed to a 2nd ref where they back remain. It is still inching toward remain - just with less pace.

If your not going to go all out remain then I actually think his position is sensible (Note; I'm a big Corbyn hatter). If you are having a 2nd ref then what goes on the ballot is critical to give it legitimacy. If they do win I would expect significant effort to make it a genuinely credible leave option and one that can be delivered and we can live with.
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Rascal said:
It is what democracy should look like, whether you agree with the policies or not. The Tory party conference is totally different as that is a stage for set piece speeches and pretty much always has been as far back as I can remember.
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Some delegates are calling for a card vote.

Wendy Nichols, the chair, seems to be resisting this.

She says whichever way she goes, she will be in trouble.

She is “in my view it was carried”.

Then she corrects herself. She says it was lost.

Earlier, just before she announced the vote, she said that she thought it went one way, but that Jennie - Jennie Formby, Labour’s general secretary, who is on the platform - thought it went another way. Nichols did not say who thought what, and she said it had been remained.

A delegate says this is one of the most important decisions facing the party. There should be a card vote.

Nichols says the vote was lost. She wants the party to be right with itself.
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What a shambles - you had to be in the room to vote and they counted hands in a matter of seconds. As I have said, I don't have an issue with the result, but was that really the way to sort out such a fundamental issue.
 
Not being watching but in summary Labour will campaign for a new referendum but remain ‘neutral’ on its official position?
 
BobKowalski said:
You want to run a private business then you abide by the rules that apply to private businesses. You do not get to claim that this particular ‘private business’ can receive state aid as if it was a ‘public service’ and then claim that the Public Health Service should be run on private business rules. This smacks of double standards. And to be clear my views on how private education should be treated are in line with Tory thinking as per Gove and Hammond rather than anything that is coming out of the Labour conference.
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I'll repeat the question: aren't private schools usually not-for-profit enterprises?
 
urban genie said:
I answered a page ago as I have many a time.

Party policy will be remain

Chippy_boy said:
Show me the quote. Anything else is just noise, and nonsense at that. Show me where Labour say there official policy will be to campaign for Remain in a second referendum. Genuinely, I am asking, because I think you are mistaken.

If I am wrong, I will gladly apologise, but I think you are.
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Now where's mr genie when I'm in need of a good laugh?
 
cibaman said:
Yes, although I might have misheard due to the sound of champagne corks popping at the Lib Dems HQ
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It puts some clear air between the two and less of a stick for BoJo and Farage to beat them with. As a remainer I think it's a better bet as it will carry more brexity labour seats than outright remain.
 
Gaudion M said:
It puts some clear air between the two and less of a stick for BoJo and Farage to beat them with. As a remainer I think it's a better bet as it will carry more brexity labour seats than outright remain.
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Which is of course Corbyn's strategy in this and everything. Stand for nothing and no-one will drop you.

The great leader that he is. Man of principle, bla bla bla.
 
Gaudion M said:
If it went the other way you would no doubt agree with me. Ridiculous way to sort out such a fundamental issue in this day and age. I've been to work do's where we have had digital systems just to run the quiz.
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We're all luddites in Labour.

Besides, no one's crying foul, a bit of confusion, but no shenanigans, we leave that to the Tories.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Now where's mr genie when I'm in need of a good laugh?
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You bore me so I habe been doing more useful things than this plave and nowt has changed from that quote.

In a GE campaign labour with not campaign remain, in a new referendum they will .

Our discussion the other day was not on composite 13, 14 or 15 but the policy at the time and as I said conference willl decide what direction we go and composite 14 which is as I have wrote above what was passed.
 
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urban genie said:
You bore me so I habe been doing more useful things than this plave and nowt has changed from that quote.

In a GE campaign labour with not campaign remain, in a new referendum they will .

Our discussion the other day was not on composite 13, 14 or 15 but the policy at the time and as I said conference willl decide what direction we go and composite 13 which is as I have wrote above what was passed.
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Utter crap.

You stated categorically that the party position was to campaign for Remain in a referendum. I said you were wrong then, and I have been proven correct. That you wish to continue to make yourself look like a tool is very pleasing. Carry on by all means.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Utter crap.

You stated categorically that the party position was to campaign for Remain in a referendum. I said you were wrong then, and I have been proven correct. That you wish to continue to make yourself look like a tool is very pleasing. Carry on by all means.
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That is the policy,

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Our party leader has made our way forward abundantly clear; a public vote on a deal agreed with the EU giving people a final say between a credible leave option and remain
At all times, Labour will seek to overcome division and build maximum consensus around policies for the many, not the few.


Remain will be an option on any future referendum and I still say that if that referendum happens the party will campaign to remain nothing in todays vote changes that.

This was a vote as to whether to be remain NOW as policy not in a referendum

Today was about will they commit to a referendum and they have, but in a GE remain will not be policy as I have always said.

Not hard to understand really.
 
urban genie said:
That is the policy,

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Our party leader has made our way forward abundantly clear; a public vote on a deal agreed with the EU giving people a final say between a credible leave option and remain
At all times, Labour will seek to overcome division and build maximum consensus around policies for the many, not the few.


Remain will be an option on any future referendum and I still say that if that referendum happens the party will campaign to remain nothing in todays vote changes that.

This was a vote as to whether to be remain NOW as policy not in a referendum

Today was about will they commit to a referendum and they have, but in a GE remain will not be policy as I have always said.

Not hard to understand really.
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And on balance it's the best policy.

The extremes have the virtue of clarity, but very little else.
 
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