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In engineering there used to be a saying “measure twice, cut once” it’s better to work smart than rush a job, would less hours lead to shoddy workmanship? There’s still plenty of non automated engineering going on in the work shops of the UK. The group I do deliveries for have a standard 35 hour week with all other hours worked classed as paid overtime. It’s not far off the working week Labour are proposing.


We changed from a 40hr week to a 35 hr about 4 years ago as it made sense for the job any extra time we get back in quieter times.

It hasn't affected productivity at all it is only 30 mins a day in effect not really that much.
 
I think Labour’s chances at the election rely on Corbyn being able to repeat his 2017 campaign. That might not be enough but it’s a pre requisite. They need him to galvanise the youth vote again, hold a series of well attended rallies around the country.

But he’s going to spend the campaign sitting on the fence about the main issue that they’re bothered about. He’s going to be evasive about the re-negotiations, evasive about whether he’ll lead a leave campaign. He’s going to have to reconcile contradictory statements from senior Labour MPs. It’s going to be a damp squib of a campaign.

He’ll end up looking like Theresa May.

I actually pretty excited for a GE whilst being slightly terrified the nut-jobs on the far right will get in.
 
We changed from a 40hr week to a 35 hr about 4 years ago as it made sense for the job any extra time we get back in quieter times.

It hasn't affected productivity at all it is only 30 mins a day in effect not really that much.
I think anyone around 60 years old should have the option to cut their days from 5 to 4 (even 3 if they want) with the wage reduced pro rata. A lot of people at that age have seen their kids leave home, paid mortgages and would generally be able to afford it. A lot have retired by then but as in my position I just need to do 3 days a week to tick along. I’d hate to be working 40 plus hours per week, I’ve worked since leaving school and the thought of doing a 5 day grind at this age is not good for the mental well being.
 
I agree but you will never achieve the standards of top private schools it’s not doable. We should make them the best we can though.
Of course it is doable, it is already being done.

It just needs the political will, but that will is not there because the elite love their privilege and the working class must know there place.

I thought Blair was going there with his "education. education. education," mantra, which he extrapolated from Lenin's mantra of "read, read, read"
 
Same as johnsons recent pledges then, but with a gaurentee from him we will be in WTO conditions and so economically worse off becaise of a no deal.

Seems a no brainer,
If you want brexit and some security of trade and border issues vote labour and get the option to rubber stamp that deal
If you want a chance to say we have changed our minds and let's call the whole thing off then you have the chance.


If you are deciding not to vote labour because you don't like corbyns face, then you are voting for the wrong reasons imho.
I'm rather more concerned with Corbyn's weasel like behaviour and shit policies than his ugly mug. I would imagine the rest of the electorate who find him toxic, think pretty much the same.
 
Wonky, farty, little strawberries at Morrison’s £1. A punnet if nice juicy ones off Ashton Market 99p. Support your independent retailers, fruit, veg, meat, fish, etc, mostly cheaper and nearly all better quality.

I don’t like strawberries but point taken and agree
 
I actually pretty excited for a GE whilst being slightly terrified the nut-jobs on the far right will get in.
I still think Corbyn is the favourite to be PM after the election. But I expect Labour will lose a significant number of seats. They will be able to form a minority government because the tories/dup/Bxp won’t.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if Corbyn resigns shortly after the election. A Labour Government with 220-230 seats is going to struggle to implement its programme once the snp and Lib Dem’s have been granted their referendums and start to distance themselves.
 
he also freed up two school places for state educated kids .

No he didn't free up any school places, under the Education Act of 1996 attending school is compulsory.

The state has to provide education for every kid according to that Act under section 11 A

And the United Nations Universal declaration of Human rights states

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory.


This bullshit about freeing up places for other kids is absolute nonsense.
 
No he didn't free up any school places, under the Education Act of 1996 attending school is compulsory.

The state has to provide education for every kid according to that Act under section 11 A

And the United Nations Universal declaration of Human rights states

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory.


This bullshit about freeing up places for other kids is absolute nonsense.
I disagree, without private schools, 600,000 more kids would need to be educated at the states expense. That’s more Schools, classrooms and teachers to be paid for at the states expense. Or would you squeeze them into overcrowded existing schools?
 
I disagree, without private schools, 600,000 more kids would need to be educated at the states expense. That’s more Schools, classrooms and teachers to be paid for at the states expense. Or would you squeeze them into overcrowded existing schools?

At a minimum that is £3.5 Billion that would need to be found before we even think about classroom space and teachers to teach them.
 
I disagree, without private schools, 600,000 more kids would need to be educated at the states expense. That’s more Schools, classrooms and teachers to be paid for at the states expense. Or would you squeeze them into overcrowded existing schools?

You are disagreeing with the law of the land and with the United Nations charter of Human Rights.
 
In engineering there used to be a saying “measure twice, cut once” it’s better to work smart than rush a job, would less hours lead to shoddy workmanship? There’s still plenty of non automated engineering going on in the work shops of the UK. The group I do deliveries for have a standard 35 hour week with all other hours worked classed as paid overtime. It’s not far off the working week Labour are proposing.

For a company with a bog standard 37 hour week, this policy will cost every company a day of work per week per 2 employees.

Think of how this will affect companies with hundreds or thousands of employees. You are talking of hundred of thousands of hours of lost work.

Put it another way, why would you consider employing someone if the work they produce is less and you have to pay them the same or more?

Why aren't Labour just offering compulsory flexible working schemes which solves the home/life problem without any downsides to productivity?

Labour would be a total disaster for business.
 
Every post proves the truth of one of your previous posts. This place is one vast affirmation of your wit, wisdom and prescience.

There's an undiscovered tribe in the Amazon rain forest who worship you as a god.
Thanks

Likewise - there are a lot of posters on here that regard your every post as affirmation of their opinion of you
 
As I understand it, If Labour win the election and renegotiate Brexit they’re going to hold a special one day conference to decide on whether to support leaving with their deal or remaining, at the 2nd referendum.

Do we know what the decision making process would be at that conference? Would it be the NEC who decides? Or the membership? Or one of those weighted votes that are effectively decided by the unions? And, if the latter, do we know how the unions are pre-disposed to voting?

In other words, is it possible to predict now with a reasonable degree of confidence whether Labour will be supporting Remain or leave at the referendum?
 

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